Hi Avri,<br><br>Granted you did not say without Governments.<br><br>However, I believe that a separation of IGF from UN GA will work against governments involvement. I agree that IGF and the UN can work together without the painful rebirths, but I don't see the GA giving a general blessing no limited in time or disassociating itself from the IGF.<br>
<br>Best,<br><br>Miguel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Avri Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br>
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I never said without governments. As you will notice, I have every intention that governments should be full and equal partners. What I hope is that a global open dialogue on IG should be such that in 2015 its existence did not depend on the UN-GA giving it permission to exist, but that it would exist on its own without needing its initiator's blessing for another painful rebirth. This round has shown us that no matter how much the IGF or any other process achieves during its 5 years, the need to come back to the UN-GA for continued existence means a chance for those who despise it and those who want to eliminate all traces of multistakeholder governance to diminish its value. Also we spent nearly 2 years on the process question 'will they let us be' being the main issue under discussion, limiting the amount of forward progress that might have been achieved on the substantive issues.<br>
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I am hoping that within five years that particular door can be closed.<br>
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On 23 Dec 2010, at 13:50, Miguel Alcaine wrote:<br>
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> Dear all:<br>
><br>
> I support Marilia views.<br>
><br>
> On Avri's ideal of continuing IGF beyond 2015 without the need to pass by the UN GA, although I understand where she is coming, let´s not forget that the UN with all its defects, its the only global organization available. And as usual, the national and the regional levels are where the real work takes place. As a consequence, I think it is necessary to keep struggling/working in a multistakeholder way, including everybody, even governments. :-)<br>
><br>
> On Ayesha suggestion on real time transcription, it has been a request long time made by different people (including Gov. rep) to the CSTD secretariat. All people/entities interested should keep the pressure on this to the CSTD Secretariat.<br>
><br>
> Finally, I believe a way should be found to amend the rules of procedure of the CSTD to insert the multistakeholderism agreed on ECOSOC Res. 2006/46. For this, it is necessary to take into account that the current rules of procedure apply to various functional commissions of ECOSOC, but CSTD is the only one which in the WSIS outcome documents and in its redefined mandate resolution, was explicitly requested to use it.<br>
><br>
> Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all.<br>
><br>
> Miguel<br>
><br>
> Annex<br>
><br>
> Some selected text from the ECOSOC 2006/46 resolution (emphasis mine):<br>
><br>
> Mandate<br>
> 4. Decides that, in accordance with General Assembly resolutions 57/270 B and 60/252, the Commission shall effectively assist the Economic and Social Council as the focal point in the system-wide follow-up, in particular the re view and assessment of progress made in implementing the outcomes of the Summit, while at the same time maintaining its original mandate on science and technology for development, also taking into account the provisions of paragraph 60 of the 2005 World Summit Outcome;5<br>
><br>
> 5. Agrees that the system-wide follow-up shall have a strong development orientation;<br>
><br>
> 6. Decides that, in the exercise of its responsibility as defined in paragraph 4 above, the Commission sh all review and assess progress made in implementing the outcomes of the Summit and advise the Council thereon, including through the elaboration of recommendations to the Council aimed at furthering the implementation of the Summit outcomes, and that to th at end, the Commission shall:<br>
> (a ) Review and assess progress at the international and regional levels in the implementation of action lines, recommendations and commitments contained in the outcome documents of the Summit;<br>
> (b ) Share best and effective practices and lessons learned and identify obstacles and constraints encountered, actions and initiatives to overcome them and important measures for further implementation<br>
> of the Summit outcomes;<br>
> (c) Promote dialogue and foster partnerships, in coordination with other appropriate United Nations funds, programmes and specialized agencies, to contribute to the attainment of the Summit objectives and the implementation of its outcomes and to use information and communication technologies for development and the achievement of internationally agreed development goals, with the participation of Governments, the private sector, civil society, the United Nations and other international organizations in accordance with their different roles and responsibilities;<br>
><br>
> Working methods<br>
> 11. Recommends that the Commission provide for Governments, the private sector, civil society, the United Nations and other international organizations to participate effectively in its work and contribute, within their areas of competence, to its deliberations;<br>
><br>
> 13. Decides also that, in addition to its traditional working practices, the Commission will continue to explore development - friendly and innovative uses of electron ic media, drawing upon existing online databases on best practices, partnership projects and initiatives, as well as other collaborative electronic platforms, which would allow all stakeholders to contribute to follow-up efforts, share information, learn from the experience of others and explore opportunities for partnerships;<br>
><br>
> Multi -stakeholder approach<br>
> 14. Decides further that, while using the multi-stakeholder approach effectively, the intergovernmental nature of the Commission should be preserved;<br>
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> ****<br>
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> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Marilia Maciel <<a href="mailto:mariliamaciel@gmail.com">mariliamaciel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > I agree with Avri´s picture of "an open dialogue on internet governance" and<br>
> > I also think it would not be strategically interesting to have such a<br>
> > prominent focus on IGF, when our worries are actually wider.<br>
> ><br>
> > I also agree with Izumi´s evaluation that a loose and informal coordination<br>
> > would be better, at least for now.<br>
> ><br>
> > Ayesha made very important suggestions (high quality real time transcription<br>
> > and webcast) that I believe should be reinforced in all our communications<br>
> > with CSTD. This is crucial if we want to involve a larger group of people on<br>
> > this discussion.<br>
> ><br>
> > Marília<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Roland Perry<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:roland@internetpolicyagency.com">roland@internetpolicyagency.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> In message <<a href="mailto:51F18FFA-253C-48E0-8FFA-F985049D20FD@acm.org">51F18FFA-253C-48E0-8FFA-F985049D20FD@acm.org</a>>, at 10:35:20 on<br>
> >> Wed, 22 Dec 2010, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> writes<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Then if we select 5, whether we will join ICC for private sector<br>
> >>>> WG members and ISOC for Tech/Academic community and<br>
> >>>> present 15 (if not IGOs), will be an important strategic decision<br>
> >>>> worth to discuss on this list. This is, what I call "function" first.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Is it: Intergovernmental Governmental Organizations or International<br>
> >>> Organizations.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I have heard both used.<br>
> >><br>
> >> And even if it says IO, is that really a traditional home for the private<br>
> >> sector or technical community organisations such as ICANN, and IETF.<br>
> >><br>
> >>> The reason i am curious is that IGO pretty much already have an open pass<br>
> >>> to anything the UN does, as I understand it, so I am not sure why<br>
> >>> thee would be a specific IGO group. Also even if there were, I do not<br>
> >>> understand why it would be in the non-governemental half of the group.<br>
> >><br>
> >> <a href="http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/ecn162010inf1_enfrsp.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/ecn162010inf1_enfrsp.pdf</a><br>
> >><br>
> >> ...is a recent attendee list from CSTD, and they have a category for<br>
> >> Intergovernmental Organisation, separate from "United Nations"<br>
> >> (organisations). And finally a category of "Specialised Agency".<br>
> >><br>
> >> All of those are separate from actual government reps (categorised by UN<br>
> >> region for the purposes of this WG), so would at least have to find some<br>
> >> home as a distinct "5" I'd have thought.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Bringing up the rear are NGOs, CS and business, and "Resource persons".<br>
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