Deja vu from WIPO meetings on copyright. In June discussions went until 23h, there was no translation anymore and US delegation ordered pizza....<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:52 PM, William Drake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Iran said we must have ECOSOC rules. I said it would be extremely hard for CS to live under ECOSOC rules, we can't sell it to folks, and that we worked very well with the Iranian rep in WGIG without such.<br>
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Text now circulated at US insistence drops the rules. Now discussing lingo on encouraging vs requiring equal developing country participation, may be an issue for biz etc.<br>
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One happy change this time, EU and US repeatedly saying there must be fair treatment of nongovernmentals. Better late than never.<br>
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Almost 8pm, lights going out in building, I will have to leave soon.<br>
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Bill<br>
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</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Dec 17, 2010, at 19:30, Lee W McKnight <<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hey Bertrand,<br>
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> We don't know yet if Bill would be bluffing right? Izumi as co-coordinator maybe should be more..politic but Bill or Anriette could stick their necks out.<br>
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> Since if the meetings ends as it stands, the assembled government reps should know it is a non-starter for other MSH's and they just wasted a day.<br>
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> In everyone's respective roles as they say.<br>
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> Lee<br>
> ________________________________________<br>
> From: Bertrand de La Chapelle [<a href="mailto:bdelachapelle@gmail.com">bdelachapelle@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:26 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Lee W McKnight<br>
> Cc: William Drake; Izumi AIZU; Michael Gurstein; Roland Perry<br>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders 5+5+5<br>
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> Respectfully disagree, Lee.<br>
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> Let's see the end of it today and then, depending on the final outcome (that does not look good), seriously consider boycott.<br>
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> M. Sha, in the consultations on enhanced cooperation, repeatedly used the exact wording of the CSTD/ECOSOC/UNGA resolution to hammer that the question of the relationship between IGF and enhanced cooperation (separate but complementary) had been finally set and that we should all stick with the letter of this resolution.<br>
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> Why should it be the case for that statement and not for the very clear paragraph regarding the group to be set up BY THE CHAIR of the CSTD ?<br>
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> How can a whole day of discussion have revolved around the interpretation of an absolutely straightforward wording ?<br>
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> Bottom line : a group composed only of governmental representatives (and hopefully without the governments that oppose the current "consensus") would be, purely and simply illegitimate.<br>
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> Official protest necessary if it goes that way. There are more than 1000 signatures for the previous petition, including Vint on behalf of Google. The new one should be even louder - and involve the press.<br>
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> B.<br>
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> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Lee W McKnight <<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
> Bill,<br>
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> Don't pull plug.<br>
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> If you or Izumi get one more chance to be heard: say IGC will not participate on currently proposed basis, but governments of course are welcome to talk to themselves whenever they wish.<br>
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> Or, they can contribute to separate instant virtual MSH wg igc will set up on igf improvements...by Monday ; )<br>
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> Right Jeremy you're not busy this weekend?<br>
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> Or, they can agree to chair's 'compromise' with bertrand's finetuning.<br>
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> And, say their shouting will make the media stories about this more lively.<br>
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> Lee<br>
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> ________________________________________<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.cpsr.org">governance-request@lists.cpsr.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.cpsr.org">governance-request@lists.cpsr.org</a>> [<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.cpsr.org">governance-request@lists.cpsr.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.cpsr.org">governance-request@lists.cpsr.org</a>>] On Behalf Of William Drake [<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>>]<br>
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:04 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>; Izumi AIZU<br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>; Michael Gurstein; Roland Perry<br>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders 5+5+5<br>
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> Nongovernmental views "shall be taken into consideration" by the WG.<br>
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> Izumi raised a concern about CS treatment and was almost shouted down by Egypt. US expressed strong concern about CS being dealt with badly.<br>
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> The screen with the text just rolled up, so we can't see it.<br>
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> Markus had left. People shouting at the chair<br>
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> EU is now finally asking to drop the rules of procedure restriction<br>
><br>
> Maybe time to pull the plug on this<br>
><br>
> Bill<br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPhone<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Dec 17, 2010, at 18:53, Izumi AIZU <<a href="mailto:aizu@anr.org">aizu@anr.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:aizu@anr.org">aizu@anr.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
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>> There have been no network connection in the past 20 minutes or so.<br>
>><br>
>> izumi<br>
>><br>
>> 2010/12/18 Michael Gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>>:<br>
>>> I have a feeling that in this instance at least "the medium is the<br>
>>> message"...<br>
>>><br>
>>> M<br>
>>><br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
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>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.cpsr.org">governance-request@lists.cpsr.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.cpsr.org">governance-request@lists.cpsr.org</a>>] On Behalf Of Roland Perry<br>
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>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Round III - 15 from non-gov stakeholders 5+5+5<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> In message <AANLkTi=<a href="mailto:BB_N9arPOnVnUQNs0hxyVGXNje%2BbM0vvuforw@mail.gmail.com">BB_N9arPOnVnUQNs0hxyVGXNje+bM0vvuforw@mail.gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:BB_N9arPOnVnUQNs0hxyVGXNje%252BbM0vvuforw@mail.gmail.com">BB_N9arPOnVnUQNs0hxyVGXNje%2BbM0vvuforw@mail.gmail.com</a>>>,<br>
>>> at<br>
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>>><br>
>>>> I don't think They will reach agreement by end of today in 20 minutes.<br>
>>><br>
>>> So the whole day has been used up discussing process, and no progress on<br>
>>> the substantive issues (how to improve the IGF)?<br>
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