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I agree with Marilia. However, I am not sure if this is a developing
countries only problem. It was not an EFF priority to have an ECOSOC
status. While we are recently applying for an ECOSOC status, this
status will only be approved next year. The same applies for the
travel funding for us. Since we are a membership organization, we
have strong restrictions on using core EFF funding for travel
expenses. So we also think 10 times (or more) before we travel to
any place. It is indeed to expensive for a non for profit
organization and we need to measure that with other priorities (and
time allocate to a certain issue), etc etc etc<br>
<br>
On 12/15/10 4:23 PM, Marilia Maciel wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:AANLkTin9XrdaK7uU5--8fi6uTXS8ChYc-fEfe3cTcuDH@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Roland,<br>
<br>
When I think about the situation of interested people and
organizations from developing countries, I tend to disagree with
you. These organizations were mostly not aware of the IG debate
during WSIS, so they have no accreditation in WSIS or ECOSOC. They
have become increasingly aware on the last years (IGF taking place
in different continents helped that), but they certainly did not
have 5 years ask for ECOSOC accreditation. In addition to that, it
takes human resources to map out and understand all the
ECOSOC-CSTD-DESA ecosystem. Many organizations from developing
countries are beginging to grasp all that, now that CSTD and DESA
are being mainstreamed in conversations.<br>
<br>
Open consultations are positive, but they tend to give advantage
to stakeholder based in developed countries (Europe, US) where
most of the international organizations are based. Scarce
resources in developing countries make us think twice before
crossing an ocean to go to a meeting. It would be much easier to
people from developing countries to attend if there is a formal
invitation, if we can sit on the table and influence the process.
It is too expensive to travel on the promise that maybe your
organization will have the chance to make a statement, if time
permits.<br>
<br>
Because of that and other reasons, I believe this decision from
Dec 6 was arbitrary, anti-multistakeholder, anti-CS and
anti-inclusion of people from developing countries.<br>
<br>
Marilia<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Roland Perry <span dir="ltr"><<a
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wrote:<br>
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In message <AANLkTi=<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:4t6YhD_xvBi6wF8c36wiY79k_ajFrgoin3-b7@mail.gmail.com"
target="_blank">4t6YhD_xvBi6wF8c36wiY79k_ajFrgoin3-b7@mail.gmail.com</a>>,
at 03:17:21 on Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Fouad Bajwa <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com"
target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>> writes
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padding-left: 1ex;">
Don't they leave out most of the stakeholders when they
say CS with<br>
consultative status only?<br>
</blockquote>
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I think the point is that everyone has had five years
"amnesty" to decide if they want to apply for consultative
status, currently (in some cases for longer) including: ICC,
APC, IT for Change, Réseaux IP européens [my former client]
and ISOC.<br>
<br>
Of course, there's also been five years to persuade CSTD to
allow a wider audience on a more permanent basis, for their
WGs as well as their main sessions. And I think there's been
progress here - they are having their third genuinely open
consultation in a row later this week, even if the "drafting
the communique" part has become a government-only group. And
the main sessions last May had several "non-member" panellists
invited to speak.<br>
<br>
There's two strategies for any stakeholder group to develop -
getting a proper seat at the table in the medium term, but
also getting your opinions listened to in the short term. I'm
not convinced that the latter is a huge obstacle as long as
you approach it sensitively, and doing that successfully a few
times often makes the former much easier.
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On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Roland Perry<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:roland@internetpolicyagency.com"
target="_blank">roland@internetpolicyagency.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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padding-left: 1ex;">
In message <AANLkTi=<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:p2CSi6B7FkCqYrKaOq_fpEhT8CyN44SBQp7gT@mail.gmail.com"
target="_blank">p2CSi6B7FkCqYrKaOq_fpEhT8CyN44SBQp7gT@mail.gmail.com</a><br>
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, at 00:43:12 on Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Fouad Bajwa <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>><br>
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writes<br>
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204); padding-left: 1ex;">
But so far from the consultation webcast, I wasn't
able to gather what<br>
his conclusion of that meeting was.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
There's no conclusion yet - the deadline for
submissions was extended to<br>
31st December about a month ago.<br>
<br>
A letter sent on the 15th November said "The
consultations are expected<br>
to result in a set of ideas, opinions and comments on
processes for<br>
pursuing enhanced cooperation... These inputs will be
synthesised by the<br>
Secretary-General and submitted as a report to the UN
GA 66th session<br>
through ECOSOC". That's end of 2011.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt
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204); padding-left: 1ex;">
The upcoming consultation in Geneva may have
something more substantial<br>
I guess.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
There isn't a timeline for any more meetings on
Enhanced Cooperation,<br>
other than the report above may surface at next May's
CSTD (14th<br>
Session), for onward submission to ECOSOC and the GA
(just like this<br>
year's IGF renewal process, which involved a fight
over pre-releasing a<br>
report from the Secretary General based on the
UnderSec's famous<br>
consultations in Sharm). Or it might go straight to
ECOSOC (in June<br>
usually).<br>
<br>
ps. Might be relevant to point to this document, which
I think's still<br>
current:<br>
<br>
"Information for civil society entities that were
accredited to WSIS and<br>
are interested in participating in the work of CSTD
regarding the follow<br>
up to WSIS"<br>
<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.unctad.org/Templates/Download.asp?docid=9128&lang=1&intItemI"
target="_blank">http://www.unctad.org/Templates/Download.asp?docid=9128&lang=1&intItemI</a><br>
D=4839><br>
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On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Roland Perry<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:roland@internetpolicyagency.com"
target="_blank">roland@internetpolicyagency.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
In message <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:0%2BImbzJCiJCNFA73@internetpolicyagency.com"
target="_blank">0+ImbzJCiJCNFA73@internetpolicyagency.com</a>>,
at 10:29:22 on Wed,<br>
15 Dec 2010, Roland Perry <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:roland@internetpolicyagency.com"
target="_blank">roland@internetpolicyagency.com</a>>
writes<br>
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204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
The chair's view was that the ECOSOC resolution,
which 'invited' him to<br>
call the meeting, had defined Enhanced
CoOperation and IGF as two separate<br>
projects ("if you want to change that - pass a
new resolution").<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Here's the relevant part(s) of the resolution:<br>
<br>
21. Recognizes that the Internet Governance
related outcomes of WSIS,<br>
namely the process towards 'enhanced cooperation'
and the convening of the<br>
IGF, are to be pursued by the UN Secretary General
through two distinct<br>
processes and further recognizes that the two
processes may be complementary<br>
to one another,<br>
<br>
...<br>
<br>
24. Invites the UN Secretary General to
convene open and inclusive<br>
consultations involving all member states and all
other stakeholders to<br>
proceed with the process towards the
implementation of enhanced<br>
cooperation...<br>
<br>
--<br>
Roland Perry<br>
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-- <br>
Roland Perry<br>
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