<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi<div><br><div><div>On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Hi William,<br>
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We already have international instruments that protects freedom of
expression. It sets precedents of what it can be disclosed. Why we
need new rules? Can you explain me? <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>There's a draft IGC text saying that this case shows we need a new framework of principles to guide global IG, which presumably would affect such things, so I asked why how what do people have in mind. You replied you were thinking of the HRC. The HRC is a deliberative body, populated by China, Saudi Arabia et al, that is supposed to make recommendations to the General Assembly. So I assumed you meant the HRC should make recommendations on new principles per the draft IGC text. If instead you meant that the HRC could assess this as a freedom of expression case in accordance with existing international rights instruments and make recommendations, ok, but the same question applies: Which of the HRC's member governments could we expect to argue that case and make recs we'd find congenial? One would like to think that some would, but with <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; white-space: pre-wrap; ">classified national security information it could be a tough sell. </span>In any event, a FOE majority seems unlikely, and even if one could be assembled, it's questionable whether HRC recs (not heretofore highly impactful AFAIK) would alter any behavior. It'd certainly be an interesting debate though, and I'd be happy to have it unfolding down the street from me. Prospects might be better in an international court setting with nominally independent judges and legal experts etc, rather than an intergovernmental negotiation body...</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
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As Frank La Rue said: "<span data-jsid="text">"If there is a
responsibility by leaking information it is of, exclusively of the
person that made the leak, and not of the media that publish it."
Frank La Rue, UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2010/s3089025.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span>http://www.abc.net.au/worl</span><wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>dtoday/content/2010/s30890</span><wbr><span class="word_break"></span>25.htm</a></span>"<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Sure<br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
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<span data-jsid="text">Amnesty International: "On the leaking of
national defence information: While employees of a government have
the right to freedom of expression, they also have duties as an
employee, so a government has more scope to impose restrictions on
<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">its employees than it would have for
private individuals who receive or republish information.
However, Amnesty International would be concerned if a
government were to seek to punish a person who, for reasons of
conscience, released in a responsible manner information that
they reasonably believed to be evidence of human rights
violations that the government was attempting to keep secret in
order to prevent the public learning the truth about the
violations." <a href="http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/wikileaks-and-freedom-expression-2010-12-09" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span>http://www.amnesty.org/en/</span><wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>news-and-updates/wikileaks</span><wbr><span class="word_break"></span><span>-and-freedom-expression-20</span><wbr><span class="word_break"></span>10-12-09</a></span></span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>By these criteria, Bradley Manning's in trouble.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Michael Gurstein wrote:</font></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>I think the argument here is that we (?) should get in soon with some sort<br>of suggested approach to a broad governance framework because the "powers<br>that be" will be feverishly working on their approach and it will emerge<br>very quickly and very forcefully.</div></blockquote><br></div><div>Neither half of this is very clear to me but I'm certainly open to persuasion…</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
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On Dec 12, 2010, at 6:17 PM, Katitza Rodriguez wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I am not familiar with United Nations structure but I was thinking within the Human Rights Council, to upheld International Human Rights Law on Freedom of Expression. Wikileaks is a Freedom of expression issue. But again: I am not familiar of how those Council's work. It would be good to know more about it.
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Which of those governments could we expect to adopt international rights-based principles protecting the nationally illegal disclosure of what they deem to be classified national security information? It's doubtful there'd be one, much less a majority, in this or any other international body.
Best,
Bill
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On Dec 12, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Lee W McKnight wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I also appreciate many IGC members and member organizations wish to comment on the WikiLeaks case for their own reasons, but personally would be - depressed - if IGC couldn't manage to comment at all, itself.
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<pre wrap="">If so, then it would be helpful if you could specify the linkages to global Internet governance. Simply asserting that Wikileaks shows we need a global framework of principles will not by itself be terribly compelling to nonbelievers. What kinds of principles would address which aspects of the whole phenomenon? Where would they be established, who would adopt them, how would implementation and compliance be handled, etc…?
I've added other comments on the site; didn't know <a href="http://digress.it">digress.it</a>, handy tool, thanks Jeremy.
Cheers,
Bill
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