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On Friday 03 December 2010 11:47 AM, Ian Peter wrote:
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style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi Parminder, I have to pick up on this<br>
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> <font color="#323232">So?? We shd throw all governments into the
sea and live by the law of the jungle?<br>
<br>
Except for the resultant pollution of the oceans – well, yes!<br>
<br>
As an ecologist I am aware that jungles are far better behaved and
structured for co-operation than nation states. Jungle creatures are
aware of their inter dependencies and act to protect each others
existence. A nice balance between different and complementary life
forms which enhance each other and could teach us a lot about enhanced
co=operation.<br>
<br>
I could go on at length here, but please, leave the jungles out of this
if you are looking for an analogy for some worse state of existence
than nation states. I am not sure that there is one to be honest, given
the history of silly wars , non democratic feudal behaviour, and
intolerance, but if there is a worse state it is certainly not the
jungle!<br>
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Ian, <br>
<br>
Probably I should not say anything in response to your well-intentions
ecological musings :), which of course have been said by putting your
political hat aside. <br>
<br>
However i did not invent the phrase 'law of the jungle' nor originally
ascribe to it the meaning in which it is used which is things like
'might is right' and 'survival of the fittest'. Darwinism may be a
natural fact, but Darwinism applied to society is not the kind of thing
we want to live by, right. <br>
<br>
Parminder <br>
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Ian Peter<br>
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<b>Date: </b>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 11:34:11 +0530<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [governance] enhanced consultations - further
inputs<br>
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On Friday 03 December 2010 11:21 AM, McTim wrote: <br>
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On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:12 AM, parminder <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> <<a
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wrote:<br>
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If you do not want them to misuse their sovereignty claims, especially
vis a<br>
vis matters that are are increasingly of global implication, then you
need<br>
to have alternative globally democratic power<br>
<br>
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I'm with Avri, to think that gov'ts won't claim sovereignty and act<br>
unilaterally is idealistic at best.<br>
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So?? We shd throw all governments into the sea and live by the law of
the jungle?<br>
<br>
BTW, I did mention that in the areas under the ambit of WTO and WIPO,
governments, largely, are unable to act unilaterally. <br>
<br>
About being 'idealistic', well, i dont know what is more idealistic
than to think that everything can self govern itself to the best
satisfaction of all, the kind of thinking that underlies your
contributions to most political discussions here.<br>
<br>
Parminder <br>
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Unless your data is on a server in SeaLand<br>
(<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.sealandgov.org/">http://www.sealandgov.org/</a>)
or someplace like it, some gov't will be<br>
asserting authority of some kind.<br>
<br>
<br>
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