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This is NOT Izumi's comment. This was the comment of some government
who negotiated the UN GA Resolution, and his/her/they vision on it.<br>
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On 11/26/10 12:04 AM, Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:
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cite="mid:15132237.42483.1290758525392.JavaMail.www@wwinf1g32"
type="cite">Good points, indeed, for both Milton and Meryem.<br>
Thanks for that.<br>
I'd also thank Izumi for his efforts to keep us well informed in
the whole course of these events, although I'don't share all the
statements made.. Anyway, there will be a(nother) life after
Geneva November 2010 ...<br>
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All the best<br>
Jean-Louis Fullsack<br>
CSDPTT <br>
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border-left: 2px solid rgb(255, 0, 0);">> Message du 25/11/10
00:08<br>
> De : "Carlos A. Afonso" <br>
> A : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>, "Milton L Mueller" <br>
> Copie à : "Izumi AIZU" <br>
> Objet : Re: [governance] Result of IGF negotiation - one
observation<br>
> <br>
> Good points, Milton!<br>
> <br>
> --c.a.<br>
> <br>
> On 11/24/2010 08:59 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
> > Izumi<br>
> > I have a bit of trouble understanding your statements
in this section:<br>
> ><br>
> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >> However, in negotiations of this nature, while our
key objectives were<br>
> >> secured, we could not win on every point. In
particular, it is<br>
> >> regrettable that the text does not do more to talk
up the successes of<br>
> >> the IGF to balance the negative thread of
"acknowledging the calls for<br>
> >> improvements" (though happily diluted from "many
calls" in the original<br>
> >> text),<br>
> ><br>
> > Is it your position that the IGF is an unqualified
success that needs no improvement?<br>
> > That is certainly not my position, or even the
position of the many people within this caucus that I know and
talk to.<br>
> ><br>
> >> "recogniz(ing) the need for further discussion on
the improvement<br>
> >> of its working methods" and "consideration of IGF<br>
> >> improvements....particular(ly) improving the
preparation process<br>
> >> modalities and the work and the functioning of the
Secretariat". These<br>
> >> several references to improvements in the text
could for those with no<br>
> >> direct experience of the IGF give the erroneous
impression of something<br>
> >> needing major change or even that the IGF is
inherently flawed which is<br>
> >> clearly not the case.<br>
> ><br>
> > I do not understand the need for such a defensive
approach to the IGF.<br>
> > The idea that any criticism or drive for improvement
means that it is inherently flawed seems to reproduce the kind
of polarization we saw when ICANN was challenged during the WSIS
process. There were those who believed - quite erroneously, it
turned out - that one must either defend it uncritically, or
else one was supporting the ITU and a "UN takeover of the
Internet." Those are false dichotomies and I see the same
pattern being recreated here. Why?<br>
> ><br>
> > --MM<br>
> >
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