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On Friday 19 November 2010 06:13 PM, William Drake wrote:
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<div>On Nov 19, 2010, at 12:45 PM, parminder wrote:</div>
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class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">What I cant
understand is the position of those who both oppose the EC process (in
whichever evolutionary form) as well as oppose possibilities of the IGF
making recommendations (I see Wolfgang, Katitza, Bill, Jeanette among
others state that position). Moreover, they all seem to closely
associate with OECD/ CoE policy making processes, which are in fact
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word;">Interesting. But I have never
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Enhanced cooperation as per the TA is a new process (to be commenced by
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SG) and its express objective discussed in many parts of TA is to
develop public policy and public policy principles. <br>
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Now I quote your email from when the IGC was discussing EC<br>
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"I'd argue for a MS observatory process convened under the auspices
of the IGF, consistent with all the relevant mandate elements." (Bill)<br>
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Now apart from the fact that anyone can call anything as EC, and say,
see, I
dont oppose EC, can you explain how such a MS observatory be called EC
in any sense in which TA used that term. And how can a MS observatory
develop Internet related public policies (as TA wanted the EC process
to do). This is especially so when you oppose recommendations by the
IGF.<br>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word;"> I have said I prefer
recommendations from the IGF to recs of the IGF, which will not work. </div>
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I dont understand the difference. Can you pl explain. How are recs from
the IGF any different from the numerous recs, or whatever, any number
of workshops etc are already free to give and may be giving. Or how is
these 'recs from the IGF' different from the present chair's summary...
What is that you really propose as a possible improvement in the IGF.
It is a good time to explain it because we are discussing IGF
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word;"> I am not closely associated with
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But you do associate. <br>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word;"> I don't think it makes sense to
advocate a Global Internet Council until someone can convincingly
explain why it is needed, how it would operate, </div>
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Sure, ready for a discussion on it. And also ready to arrive at
different names, forms for the possible global mechanism of Internet
related public policy making. But it is difficult to do a debate with
nothing really coming form the other side as an alternative which can
address the pressing need to fill in the global vacuum in the area of
Internet related gloal public policies. Whether there is at all any
such vacuum, and if so where, there is a rather easy way to find that
out. Just look at all the inter-country Internet policy related work
being done by CoE/ OECD etc. And you may also want to see CoE's global
aspirations stated in Wolfgang's email<br>
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<div style="word-wrap: break-word;">and why it would not end up being
like what the caucus rejected during the WGIG period.</div>
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<div>On Nov 19, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Lee W McKnight wrote:</div>
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from me too...let's see if we can reach a 'rough consensus' amongst
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<div>I don't know who the selves in question are, but this needs to
follow the procedures for consensus calls we agreed in the charter.</div>
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<div>Bill</div>
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