<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:10pt">Hello all, <br>I agree that we have to make a joint statement. One of the idea to put in would be to criticise the law level of openess of that event.<br><br><div> </div>NKURUNZIZA Jean Paul<br>Burundi Youth Training Centre<br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.bytc.bi">www.bytc.bi</a></span><br><br><div>Tel : +257 79 981459<div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b></font><br><br>>>> From: Ian Peter <<a ymailto="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>><br>>>> Reply-To: <<a
ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>, Ian Peter <<a ymailto="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>><br>>>> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 06:05:10 +1000<br>>>> To: <<a ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>, William Drake<br>>>> <<a ymailto="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>><br>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] consultations on enhanced cooperation<br>>>><br>>>> Agree with all the comments we should seek a joint icc/igc/isoc response if<br>>>> possible<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> From: William Drake <<a
ymailto="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>><br>>>> Reply-To: <<a ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>, William Drake<br>>>> <<a ymailto="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>><br>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:11:27 +0200<br>>>> To: Governance <<a ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>><br>>>> Subject: Re: [governance] consultations on enhanced cooperation<br>>>><br>>>> Hi<br>>>><br>>>> I agree with Ginger, a boycott would raise few eyebrows and have little to no<br>>>> impact. Disengagement doesn't count
for much when they're barely thinking<br>>>> about us in the first place. If anything, it could be taken as evidence we<br>>>> don't care, or are too weak to even raise a voice. In a similar vein, in<br>>>> Vilnius I had some IO secretariat people tell me that the lack of response to<br>>>> ITU's online "consultation" a couple years ago concerning possible CS<br>>>> participation therein showed we were disinterested and pretty much<br>>>> irrelevant, hence no opening of ITU was needed.<br>>>><br>>>> While coordination could be hard for various reasons, IGC might consider<br>>>> trying to work with the ICC and ISOC on this. We've made common cause in the<br>>>> past (mostly in WSIS) on process issues concerning the treatment of non-state<br>>>> actors etc, and any joint effort would probably resonate much more loudly<br>>>> than
CS complaining solo.<br>>>><br>>>> Best,<br>>>><br>>>> Bill<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Oct 13, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Ginger Paque wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> In Venezuela it was very obvious that boycotting an election, or a process,<br>>>>> leaves your 'opponent' with a 'legal' dictatorship. We cannot willingly give<br>>>>> up our voice.<br>>>>><br>>>>> In our recent poll, the most important issue for the IGC members was<br>>>>> precisely 'enhanced cooperation', as I reinforced in my opening statement at<br>>>>> the Vilnius IGF. We must raise our voice with a strong statement.<br>>>>><br>>>>> We must also look for agreement/support/enhanced cooperation with other<br>>>>> non-governmental groups--academia, CS, business, etc. so that those who<br>>>>>
agree make separate and united statements.<br>>>>><br>>>>> This is a pivotal point imho. We must act decisively and in true 'enhanced<br>>>>> cooperation'. We must work in a way that fosters cooperation, with a strong,<br>>>>> reinforced--not inundated, valid position.<br>>>>><br>>>>> We need concrete steps to move forward. How are other groups: APC, and<br>>>>> others working with this issue?<br>>>>><br>>>>> Best, gp<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> On 10/13/2010 6:33 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Agree that this is a farce.<br>>>>>> Do we refuse to comment at all and take it to the public sphere, or<br>>>>>> inundate them with written comments criticizing the approach?<br>>>>>>
--MM<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> From: parminder [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>]<br>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:08 AM<br>>>>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>>>>>> Subject: [governance] consultations on enhanced cooperation<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Hi All<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Find as enclosed an open letter to all stakeholders to participate in what<br>>>>>> is supposed to be an open consultation on 'enhanced cooperation' in NY on<br>>>>>> 14th
December.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> However, the process is hardly open. It does not seem to be even as open<br>>>>>> as many traditional UN activities are. Both the Tunis Agenda, and the CSTD/<br>>>>>> ECOSOC resolution (quoted in the letter) speaks of 'enhanced cooperation'<br>>>>>> itself as involving ' a balanced participation of all stakeholders '.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> It should be obvious that a consultation on 'enhanced cooperation', EC,<br>>>>>> (which is different from the process of enhanced cooperation ) should be<br>>>>>> even more open and participative that even EC itself. In fact it should be<br>>>>>> more or less, within limits of logistics constraints, completely open,<br>>>>>> though probably also structured enough that all governments, for
instance,<br>>>>>> do get to speak all they want to (that is what they normally like to<br>>>>>> ensure/protect, UN style)<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> However, the letter says that non -governmental stakeholders will only be<br>>>>>> allowed to give written contribution, plus a very tokenistic gesture of<br>>>>>> allowing just one representative (?? whose rep) to speak during the<br>>>>>> consultations to summarize the contributions of all non governmental<br>>>>>> stakeholders (whew!) (in maybe about 5 minutes?). So basically they are<br>>>>>> calling for an inter-governmental consultation. This is not at all an open<br>>>>>> consultation, and i think we should not give it legitimacy as such.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> In fact, the letter clearly speaks of a "consultation with UN
member<br>>>>>> states, Permanent Observers and other inter-governmental organizations to<br>>>>>> be held on....."<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> So, it is simply not the "open and inclusive consultations involving all<br>>>>>> member states and other stakeholders....." that the recent ECOSOC<br>>>>>> resolution called for, which resolution has been quoted in the letter<br>>>>>> itself.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> I think all non-governmental stakeholders should refuse to accept it as an<br>>>>>> open consultation, and write to the SG/ USG immediately about it. If no<br>>>>>> changes in the format are forthcoming they may all together even agree not<br>>>>>> to participate in the consultations at all - not even submitting written<br>>>>>> contributions, and forgoing the
'one rep speaks for all nongov<br>>>>>> stakeholders' offer.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> On the other hand, if there are any genuine concerns of governments that<br>>>>>> the format should allow enough speak and discussion time for gov reps,<br>>>>>> which they may feel does not happen in fully open spaces, we can discuss<br>>>>>> and take them on board to devise a mutually acceptable format.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Parminder<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> --<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque<br>>>>> IGCBP Online Coordinator<br>>>>> DiploFoundation<br><span>>>>> <a target="_blank"
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