<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Parminder,<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 13, 2010, at 2:28 PM, parminder wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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I did not ask for disengagement, </font></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Ginger and I were responding to Milton's question, "Do we refuse to comment at all and take it to the public sphere, or inundate them with written comments criticizing the approach?"</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div text="#333333" bgcolor="#ffffff"><font face="sans-serif"> but getting together with other
stakeholders to write to SG/USG saying this process is not acceptable,
and contrary to both WSIS-TA and to the ECOSOC resolution under which
this consultation is being carried out... But when one puts forward
strong reservations about a process, possible non-engagement with the
particular inappropriate process that is being referred to is </font><font face="sans-serif">obviously </font><font face="sans-serif">an implied
threat. <br>
<br>
A strong combined statement by CS, technical community and business
sector would have some force. And then we can also talk to govs who
will see our side and sympathise. <br></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Agreed, per previous<br><blockquote type="cite"><div text="#333333" bgcolor="#ffffff"><font face="sans-serif">
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I am hardly one to advocate disengagement as such with the process of
enhanced cooperation. <br></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Wouldn't have thought so.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div text="#333333" bgcolor="#ffffff"><font face="sans-serif"><br>
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On Wednesday 13 October 2010 05:41 PM, William Drake wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:3F6B87A0-880A-4822-A960-D095A284ED14@graduateinstitute.ch" type="cite">Hi
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<div>I agree with Ginger, a boycott would raise few eyebrows and have
little to no impact. Disengagement doesn't count for much when they're
barely thinking about us in the first place. If anything, it could be
taken as evidence we don't care, or are too weak to even raise a voice.
In a similar vein, in Vilnius I had some IO secretariat people tell me
that the lack of response to ITU's online "consultation" a couple years
ago concerning possible CS participation therein showed we were
disinterested and pretty much irrelevant, hence no opening of ITU was
needed. </div>
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<div>While coordination could be hard for various reasons, IGC might
consider trying to work with the ICC and ISOC on this. We've made
common cause in the past (mostly in WSIS) on process issues concerning
the treatment of non-state actors etc, and any joint effort would
probably resonate much more loudly than CS complaining solo.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Bill</div>
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<div>On Oct 13, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Ginger Paque wrote:</div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <font face="Verdana">In
Venezuela it was very obvious that boycotting an election, or a
process, leaves your 'opponent</font>' with a 'legal' dictatorship. We
cannot willingly give up our voice.<br>
<br>
In our recent poll, the most important issue for the IGC members was
precisely 'enhanced cooperation', as I reinforced in my opening
statement at the Vilnius IGF. We must raise our voice with a strong
statement.<br>
<br>
We must also look for agreement/support/enhanced cooperation with other
non-governmental groups--academia, CS, business, etc. so that those who
agree make separate and united statements.<br>
<br>
This is a pivotal point imho. We must act decisively and in true
'enhanced cooperation'. We must work in a way that fosters cooperation,
with a strong, reinforced--not inundated, valid position.<br>
<br>
We need concrete steps to move forward. How are other groups: APC, and
others working with this issue?<br>
<br>
Best, gp<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/13/2010 6:33 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
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that this is a farce. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Do
we refuse to comment at all and take it to the public sphere, or
inundate them with written comments criticizing the approach? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">--MM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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parminder [<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">mailto:parminder@itforchange.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [governance] consultations on enhanced cooperation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">Hi All<br>
<br>
Find as enclosed an open letter to all stakeholders to participate in
what is supposed to be an open consultation on 'enhanced cooperation'
in NY on 14th December.<br>
<br>
However, the process is hardly open. It does not seem to be even as
open as many traditional UN activities are. Both the Tunis Agenda, and
the CSTD/ ECOSOC resolution (quoted in the letter) speaks of 'enhanced
cooperation' itself as involving ' a balanced participation of all
stakeholders '.<br>
<br>
It should be obvious that a consultation on 'enhanced cooperation', EC,
(which is different from the process of enhanced cooperation ) should
be even more open and participative that even EC itself. In fact it
should be more or less, within limits of logistics constraints,
completely open, though probably also structured enough that all
governments, for instance, do get to speak all they want to (that is
what they normally like to ensure/protect, UN style)<br>
<br>
However, the letter says that non -governmental stakeholders will only
be allowed to give written contribution, plus a very tokenistic gesture
of allowing just one representative (?? whose rep) to speak during the
consultations to summarize the contributions of all non governmental
stakeholders (whew!) (in maybe about 5 minutes?). So basically they are
calling for an inter-governmental consultation. This is not at all an
open consultation, and i think we should not give it legitimacy as such.<br>
<br>
In fact, the letter clearly speaks of a "consultation with UN member
states, Permanent Observers and other inter-governmental organizations
to be held on....."<br>
<br>
So, it is simply not the "open and inclusive consultations involving
all member states and other stakeholders....." that the recent ECOSOC
resolution called for, which resolution has been quoted in the letter
itself. <br>
<br>
I think all non-governmental stakeholders should refuse to accept it as
an open consultation, and write to the SG/ USG immediately about it. If
no changes in the format are forthcoming they may all together even
agree not to participate in the consultations at all - not even
submitting written contributions, and forgoing the 'one rep speaks for
all nongov stakeholders' offer.<br>
<br>
On the other hand, if there are any genuine concerns of governments
that the format should allow enough speak and discussion time for gov
reps, which they may feel does not happen in fully open spaces, we can
discuss and take them on board to devise a mutually acceptable format. <br>
<br>
Parminder </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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