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Hi all<br>
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My comment (not an official APC position):<br>
<br>
I think exclusivity is not a good idea. The IGC is a legitimate source
of recommendations for CS representatives. It has established
procedures for coming up with names and I think it is important that we
strengthen this legitimacy.<br>
<br>
If we try to propose that it is the sole nominator of CS
representatives we run the risk of being seen as making a claim of
being representative, on the one hand, and, on the other hand, of
limiting opportunity for other CS bodies and processes.<br>
<br>
For example, there are regional CS spaces that have had their own
consultative processes for coming up with names. Should they then
channel their names through an IGC process?<br>
<br>
APC has around 50 member organisations. We have internal consultative
processes when coming up with candidates... usually driven also by
which sub-regions are most interested or active, depending on the
issue. It is important for us to be able to propose those names as
APC. We also work closely with groups outside of APC who are active in,
for example, gender justice. We have been working hard for years to get
the women's movement to be more involved in internet governance issues.
One way in which we try to do this is to encourage them to nominate
people for working groups.<br>
<br>
I would like to see groups like IISD, and the community informatics
sector (Michael Gurstein's network), and some of the mainstream human
rights people we are trying to draw into IG, nominate candidates in
their own names as civil society oganisations or networks.<br>
<br>
The difficulty with channeling all these potential candidates through
the IGC is that they are often not known to the IGC.<br>
<br>
The IGC community, like most communities, tend to identify people that
are active in the IGF space. This is appropriate. But limiting
potential CS voices in working groups etc. to this community could have
the effect of CS involvement in internet governance issues even
narrower than it already is. Personally I think we want to have more CS
actors involved from a wider range of countries and thematic areas. <br>
<br>
Part of us sending a message to governments and international
organisations that CS is in this space to stay, is to widen engagement
from organised civil society.<br>
<br>
Anriette<br>
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PS Agree with Meryem on CONGO. I am arguing simply for channels for
nomination of CS reps not being exclusive. <br>
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On 07/10/10 10:45, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
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cite="mid:27EE372F-7350-4990-BF1A-F028D1F06224@marzouki.info"
type="cite">Dear all,
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<div>I agree with part of what Heather said, in summary that IGC
cannot claim to represent neither the whole CS @ IGF, nor, a fortiori,
the whole CS in general.</div>
<div>However, one should take into account the fact that the IGC,
while being far from perfect - and, as someone who raised the point
many times, I'm very comfortable saying so - is not simply one CSO like
any other @ IGF. To start with, it includes people (and NGO
representatives) with different views on IG, and in that sense it is
very different from one single NGO with identified views and objectives.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>CONGO is not an option, at least not without a serious
discussion. Not only because of the reasons Lee provided (participation
of individuals as well), but also because this would mean a change in
the IGC, as well as the IGF functioning and especially the MAG's role.
I don't know if this option was discussed inside the MAG already, but I
really see this suggestion would constitute a radical political turn,
which objectives would need to be clarified and discussed. But not now,
we have to finalize the document first.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What we need to discuss is the possibility to set up a kind of
"CS plenary", like we had during WSIS (and that worked pretty well),
where all individuals, NGOs, other kind of CSO groups, and maybe their
grouping into thematic caucuses can interact. But this, again, is a
long term discussion, and our priority now is to finalize the document.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As for now, my opinion is that, following Jeremy's proposal
below, we might change the wordings so that the document takes into
account Heather's concern (which are very much valid) and at the same
time doesn't radically downsize IGC feature, role and achievements to
that of any NGO or CSO. Above all, the document shouldn't come at this
step with any alternative, like CONGO or any other. There is no need to
hurry in this document with a definitive architecture for CS
representation at IGF. Let's be cautious here, let's leave the door
open, while asking for some change.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Meryem</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>Le 7 oct. 10 à 05:20, Jeremy Malcolm a écrit :</div>
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<div>On 06/10/2010, at 11:58 PM, Heather Creech wrote:</div>
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falls under question 2. This concerns the relationship between the
IGC, civil society concerned with internet governance / the IGF, and
civil society in general.<o:p></o:p></div>
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draft suggests that: "With its existing open, accountable, transparent
and democratic processes, the Internet Governance Caucus could form the
foundation of an appropriate body to select civil society MAG
representatives, subject to appropriate criteria to ensure regional and
gender balance and a diversity of viewpoints." It adds that this could
also be achieved through an independent NomCom process. </div>
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<div>It was in anticipation of concerns such as yours that I worded
it "could form the foundation of an appropriate body to select" rather
than just "could select". I consider that this is a fair statement of
an appropriate role for the IGC within a potentially broader civil
society coalition, in that we have much greater expertise and interest
in IG issues than >90% of the NGOs who are active in CONGO. But,
please suggest specific wording that would further clarify the IGC's
role.</div>
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