Dear all,<br><br>I fully support Wolfgang's vision of an IG Web (I usually call it the Internet Governance Network) linking all stakeholders and their various governance frameworks through a common "governance Protocol" allowing circulation of information upwards and downwards (also sideways of course). <br>
<br>The Internet has unified hundreds of thousands of heterogeneous networks through a simple set of protocols (TCP/IP to make it simple) making them interoperable without changing their respective architecture; the HTTP/HTML protocols have allowed millions of heterogeneous databases to become interoperable and form the World Wide Web, irrespective of the kind of software or data structure they are using; likewise, I strongly believe that the interaction modalities that we are experimenting in the IGF (and ICANN) will ultimately allow billions of heterogeneous stakeholders/human groups to interact in a global governance network, without having to change their internal governance framework (every human group has some internal governance framework, ie : modalities for decision-taking). <br>
<br>The replication of national and regional IGFs goes in that direction
and I expect all international organizations will progressively
establish their own MS Forums to interface with the global process.
This was emerging slowly during a discussion last week at the OECD
around the notion of a Global Forum on Broadband and the Internet
Economy. <br>
<br>
While many actors feared at first that this would come as a competition
to the IGF, it was clearly discussed as a way to provide "input" into
the annual IGF and a tool to focus OECD activities on what it is
concerned most with (the economic dimension). Still work to do but this is where I think it is going. <br><br>The general challenge is to promote the implementation of multi-stakeholder participatory processes as interoperability standard among heterogeneous governance frameworks. Isn't it what the IGF mandates requests in its paragraph 72i : <i><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" face="Verdana" size="2"><font size="2">Promote and assess, on an ongoing basis, the embodiment
of WSIS principles in Internet governance processes.
</font></font><font size="2"><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></font></i><br>Best<br><br>Bertrand<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Lee<br>
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this is the way would should move forward, linking various initiatives/institutions together in a network sending (political) messages foreward and backward. Such an "IG Web" would reflect/mirror then architecture of the Internet and would leave the knowledge/power/decision making capacity at the "edges" (with the option to enhance knowledge etc. by other peers).<br>
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On the other hand, by reading the report from the eNabler meeting I was rather confused. Since UNICTTF I feel here running in a revolving door missing the exit: Good intentions, (sometimes) big names, big plans, no money, but rather obscure realities. Anyhow it is always worth to support good intentions and to enable people to do things which are helping to implement MDG and WSIS Goals.<br>
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Best wishes<br>
<br>
wolfgang<br>
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Fra: Lee W McKnight [mailto:<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>]<br>
Sendt: lø 02-10-2010 00:42<br>
Til: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro; Avri Doria<br>
Emne: RE: [governance] IGC profile: some handfuls of people and a<br>
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Sala,<br>
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To Avri's point that it is up to folks on the list to make it whatever they want: thanks for volunteering to prep an IGC FAQ and list of URLs : )<br>
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With that 'done' I have been meaning to raise a second point which does touch on Michael's curmudgeonly critique re the distance between IGC/IGF and folks on the ground actually trying to do ICT4D, with or without broadband to acknowledge Jean-Louis' point.<br>
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Here's my 5 cents:<br>
<br>
UN - GAID is working on something they are calling the 'e-Nabler' which would essentially be an online/semi-automated strategic plan development tool, intended to help folks - on the ground - trying to plan - ICT deployments for development.<br>
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Frankly the thing could be a flop/waste of time; or maybe not. It is intended to provide tools to help folks go from Millenium Development Goals to specific actionalble implementations, which would be a good thing, if done right.<br>
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They acknowledge that they are particularly weak on - policy. We IGCers seem to prefer the word 'governance.'<br>
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So my thought: what if Wolfgang's 'messages from IGF' actually had - particular receivers in mind?<br>
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Namely, folks on the ground trying to do ICT4D.<br>
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This would be relatively simple to implement, since the 'e-nabler' is theoretically updated/refreshed regularly - say annually. Like when there are fresh 'messages.'<br>
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So each year's IGF process could have a known target audience, which would help make UN-GAID's grand plan more viable - since if there is not fresh input the thing will grow stale and fall apart quickly I warned them last month.<br>
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Anyway, the e-nabler is in the early beta stage, but if this doesn't seem entirely crazy as a notion to the folks bridging IGF & GAID - such as Derrick, Marilyn, and a few others could talk it up a little on the gaid side, and - igc can advocate and/or prepare to implement -in its workshops next year - messages to gaid/to planners trying to get things done in challenging circumstances.<br>
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Of course messages could come in both directions, but seeking to build in feedback loops is generally a good thing right.<br>
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Anyway, just a thought, which if some of you like - I also volunteer Sala to put into motion : )<br>
<br>
Lee<br>
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From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro [<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:57 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Avri Doria<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] IGC profile: some handfuls of people and a curmudgeon?<br>
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Dear All,<br>
<br>
Michael raised a valid point. As a relatively new kid on the block, I<br>
think that there should be an information (FAQ) list of URLs to show<br>
members how they<br>
can involved ie. increased and widened participation. What essentially<br>
is the "letter" and "spirit". Criticism must not be taken personally<br>
but is a mere tool in refinement and it is a wise man or person who<br>
accepts correction (ancient proverb). I love what<br>
CS Lewis said in his classic, "An Experiment in Criticism", "My own<br>
pair of eyes are not enough for me, let me see through other pairs of<br>
eyes."<br>
<br>
Warm Regards from sunny Fiji,<br>
Sala<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/2/10, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@psg.com">avri@psg.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On 1 Oct 2010, at 12:06, Meryem Marzouki wrote:<br>
><br>
>> My conclusion is that, far from being curmudgeonly as he warned this<br>
>> wasn't his intention, Michael raised a very legitimate and of utmost<br>
>> importance question. It probably deserves more serious thinking than what<br>
>> it got so far, but obviously only in case democratic participation is an<br>
>> issue..<br>
><br>
><br>
> wow, that is loaded language.<br>
><br>
> a.<br>
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