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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Seeing this problem has been raised, I think there are a few things that are clear .<BR>
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Firstly, there are no grounds for a challenge to the co coordinator election. It is completely valid even if there are problems with the subsequent charter amendment vote. So we do not need to do that again.<BR>
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Re the charter amendment – Jeremy has heard the various calls and must make a decision on how to proceed and his grounds for doing so – perhaps in conjunction with both Ginger as outgoing coordinator and the newly elected coordinator as well, but that I think is Jeremy’s call. Options would seem to include<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><OL><LI><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>separating the voters in some way to count only valid votes and voters for the charter amendment. That would be nice if it could be done
</SPAN></FONT><LI><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Declaring the vote valid and reasons for doing so – in which case it would stand unless an appeal was mounted.
</SPAN></FONT><LI><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Declaring the vote invalid or at least doubtful, and adopting the earlier Parminder suggestion of using the same Nomcom pool but selecting two different nomcoms which avoids the problem.<BR>
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And of course declaring the vote valid would require that the 2/3 of members had voted for it – not just 2/3 of the members who bothered to vote. It’s a high mark to reach as we found in the last charter amendment.<BR>
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In this respect I recently forwarded to Jeremy a copy of the report on the previous charter amendment and the reasoning adopted in declaring a valid member vote on that occasion. That gives some sort of precedent that may or may not need to be followed (I could not find it on the website but I think it would be in the email archives)<BR>
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I hope we can find a smooth and easy way forward. Process is important, but it is at least equally important that we be functional and able to act to meet our challenges, especially when the will of the membership is clear.<BR>
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Ian Peter<BR>
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<HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="3" WIDTH="95%"><B>From: </B>parminder <<a href="parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><BR>
<B>Reply-To: </B><<a href="governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>, parminder <<a href="parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>><BR>
<B>Date: </B>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 22:40:25 +0530<BR>
<B>To: </B><<a href="governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>><BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: [governance] Criterion for charter voting<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><FONT COLOR="#000066"><FONT FACE="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial">Yes, Izumi, I completely agree that the problems, if there are any, associated with the charter amendment part of the process should not be allowed to interfere with, and shadow over, the more important part on voting in our new co-coordinator. <BR>
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The voting for the new co-coordinator should go on and all should participate enthusiastically, because, whatever gets decided, this is how we show our continued commitment to the the IGC, and its relevance to the changes in the world that we want to see, and possibly help bring about...<BR>
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Parminder <BR>
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On Wednesday 29 September 2010 10:27 PM, Izumi AIZU wrote: <BR>
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Dear Parminder and all,<BR>
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Thank you for raising this important issue and providing inputs.<BR>
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Though I have my own opinion, being a candidate for a co-coordinator,<BR>
I like to refrain from putting them here now, and like to follow whatever<BR>
outcome we reach.<BR>
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I am afraid that my saying something on charter amendment<BR>
may affect on the co-coordinator election or vice versa in an<BR>
inappropriate manner.<BR>
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This might be the case of "Race condition"Avri put.<BR>
Thank you for your understanding and continuing efforts,<BR>
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izumi<BR>
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2010/9/30 Fearghas McKay <<a href="fm-lists@st-kilda.org">fm-lists@st-kilda.org</a>> <<a href="mailto:fm-lists@st-kilda.org">mailto:fm-lists@st-kilda.org</a>> :<BR>
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But the election has not completed so for new voters you haven't voted in<BR>
the last election, only the current running one.<BR>
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The whole election process was meant to be reviewed but it didn't seem to<BR>
make it to the top of our todo lists. I think it does need to be revisited<BR>
soon both for some version of Proportional Representation and procedural<BR>
tightening up.<BR>
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On 29 Sep 2010, at 14:32, Ginger Paque <<a href="gpaque@gmail.com">gpaque@gmail.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com">mailto:gpaque@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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I don't know if I should weigh in, being co-coordinator, but not running the<BR>
election, but this is exactly what I think: first I voted in the election,<BR>
then I voted on the charter.<BR>
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On 9/29/2010 8:28 AM, Avri Doria wrote:<BR>
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