<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:bookman old style,new york,times,serif;font-size:10pt">Hi All<br>Establishing eligibility to vote based on whether one has voted the prior election is in general a good way to acknowledge membership and also measure involvement and awareness of of the work of this forum . However I would point out that I too could not vote one year and was left out of the election the subsequent occasion, despite being I am a long standing involved member of this group . <br><br>Perhaps to protect against this we can have an annual acknowledgment of membership at an agreed time post for individuals to weigh in as continuing members. For example we could do this 6 months before the election or at the beginning of the year or some such fixed time .<br><br>Sorry for the late post. I am on Pacific time and this is the best opportunity I have
to weigh in<br>My two cents worth !<br>It was good to see all of you in Vilnius!<br>Shaila <br><br><div> </div><style><!--filtered {font-family:"Comic Sans MS";panose-1:3 15 7 2 3 3 2 2 2 4;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";}filtered {margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;}div.Section1 {}--></style><style><!--filtered {font-family:"Comic Sans MS";panose-1:3 15 7 2 3 3 2 2 2 4;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";}filtered {margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;}div.Section1 {}--></style><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif;"><font size="1"><strong><span style="font-size: 8pt; color: blue;">Life is too short ....challenge the rules</span></strong><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black;"></span></b></font></p><p
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<gpaque@gmail.com><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Avri Doria <avri@psg.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, September 29, 2010 6:32:10 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] Criterion for charter voting<br></font><br>
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<font face="Verdana">I don't know if I should weigh in, being
co-coordinator, but not running the election, but this is exactly
what I think: first I voted in the election, then I voted on the
charter.</font><br>
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<pre>Hi,
Interesting point.
Having just voted in an election, one could argue that the conditions of the charter had been met. Interesting cascade.
And on the spirit, this happened so quickly, within the two month margin for voting on an election, we can be confident no one joined the mailing list to mess with the charter.
So we might have both letter and spirit.
a.
On 29 Sep 2010, at 08:40, Paul Lehto wrote:
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<pre>Paul, at this point the issue is not about one view against another, but
the letter of the charter of the IGC, which clearly has a different
eligibility criterion for voting in a charter amendment than any other
voting. It states that
"In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous
election will be deemed a member for amending the charter."
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<pre>I understand that's the language. But in order to conclude that
someone's vote is taken away, the language must be clear and
unequivocal. Here, those who voted in the previous election are
"deemed" members - it's automatic so to speak. There is no express
preclusion of others who can establish membership through means not
automatic in nature.
Thank you Parminder for your courtesy and respect regarding me and the
letter and spirit of the law. The letter and the spirit are why I
interpret it in the manner above, one should greatly hesitate and put
the burden of specificity on an interpretation that would result in
the denial of a voting right. If a Charter intended for a more
restricted class of Charter voters, it would typically (at least if
well drafted) state at the end of the sentence above something like
"and no others shall be deemed qualified voters by any means for the
purpose of amending the Charter."
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