If it wasn't for the Internet we could not have this discussion and share ideas while in every corner of the planet.<div><br></div><div>The Nobel is not for the Internet, nor for a single individual, but for each and every internet user, hence not for any individual or inventor. Instead it aims to award the potential that humanity has a whole when it can communicate, in a babel like fashion. I hope it wins.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Michael Gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>
<blockquote style="margin-right:0px" dir="ltr">
<div align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span>I think emphasizing the collective nature
(co-creation) of the Internet is rather a good
thing. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span></span></font> </div>
<div align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span>Also as Mawaki says demonstrating that things are
created by people is also a good thing. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span></span></font> </div>
<div align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span>And finally emphasizing (as one would hope) the
developmental and distributive (information and capacity), emergency
response and peace building impacts and opportunities of the
Internet would overall be a good thing. If nothing else it
would point out for those who might need it to be pointed out, that the
Internet is not just about making billions in the <font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font>stockmarket or wherever.</span></font></div>
<div align="center"><span><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div align="left"><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">It should also be pointed out that according to
some reputable sources <a href="http://www.city.ac.uk/whatson/2009/10_oct/291009_Peter_Willetts.html" target="_blank">http://www.city.ac.uk/whatson/2009/10_oct/291009_Peter_Willetts.html</a> the
actual recipient of the Prize might be equally identified as being civil
society and our very own APC (or at least some of the originating partners) as
other more w</font></font></font><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">ell known individuals and
agencies.</font></font></font></span></div>
<div align="left"><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></font></span> </div>
<div align="left"><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Mike</font></font></font></span></div>
<div align="left"><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"></font></font></font></span> </div>
<div align="left"><span><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"></font></font></font></span> </div>
<div></div>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><div class="im">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Mawaki Chango
[mailto:<a href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com" target="_blank">kichango@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 16, 2010 7:20
AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><b>Subject:</b> Re: R:
[governance] Nobel Prize for The Internet<br><br></div></div></font></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<div><br>
<div>I would think the humanist idea of the prize by Nobel was aimed at
acknowledging human agency for betterment of human conditions, peace among
nations, etc. The internet did not create itself; people created it. The
internet does nothing, humans connected through it do (and yes, there is a lot
of negativity taking place among some of those people, too). The IPCC example
is not unique: it is the same concept as when the Prize is giving to teams of
scientists (physicists, biologists, etc.) who collaborated to produce the
outcome/output by which their merit is being recognized.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>So by that standard, it'd make perfect sense to advocate that the
engineers and scientists who worked hard to bring about the internet be
nolelized, but we must understand that advocating for the internet itself is
comparable to nothing done before by the N. Committee --it'd be a quantum
leap, so to speak! It might even be fundamentally against the philosophical
foundations and views of the Nobels as I refer to above. So don't be surprised
if that idea qualifies as nonsense in the eyes of some.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>A few weeks ago, in another discussion I suggested that we may try and
offer a definition for the internet (in the context of social action). Some
may say it is the people connected, some other the infrastructure (both
illustrated in this discussion) yet some others the protocol stack (just bare
specifications), etc. So this is not a given, and as I said, there are people
on the internet saying and doing very nasty things too, including against
fraternity among nations. </div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Down the proposed path, next thing you might hear is that, like the King,
the Internet has two bodies...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Mawaki<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Craig Simon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cls@rkey.com" target="_blank">cls@rkey.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Hello All,<br><br>I strongly agree with Jeanette.
The "Internet" does not merit a Nobel Prize. It would be a shame to
award it to some incorporeal entity in light of the many deserving
individuals and agencies who have made great sacrifices in the service of
peace and human liberty, and whose cause could be immediately advanced by
the Nobel Committee's recognition.<br><br>Craig Simon
<div><br><br>On 9/16/2010 8:02 AM, Brett Solomon wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style="border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<div>Hi,<br><br>Good discussion!<br><br>If you look at the
manifesto put forward by the proposers<br></div>(<a href="http://internetforpeace.org" target="_blank">internetforpeace.org</a>
<<a href="http://internetforpeace.org" target="_blank">http://internetforpeace.org</a>>) it's pretty clear
<div>
<div></div>
<div><br>that the award is not for the infrastructure or the
person, but for the<br>global web of users:<br><br>*We have finally
realized that the Internet* is much more than a network<br>of computers.
It is an endless web of people. Men and women from every<br>corner of the
globe are connecting to one another, thanks to the biggest<br>social
interface ever known to humanity.<br>Digital culture has laid the
foundations for a new kind of society. And<br>this society is advancing
dialogue, debate and consensus through<br>communication. Because democracy
has always flourished where there is<br>openness, acceptance, discussion
and participation. And contact with<br>others has always been the most
effective antidote against hatred and<br>conflict. That's why the Internet
is a tool for peace. That's why anyone<br>who uses it can sow the seeds of
non-violence. And that's why the next<br>*Nobel Peace Prize should go to
the Net. A Nobel for each and every one<br>of us.*<br><br>I understand
that people who would then receive the award would be the<br>'founders' of
the internet including Vint Cerf, Tim Berners-Lee and a<br>few others on
'our' behalf.<br><br>On balance, I would argue that many of the key
drivers of conflict have<br>been weakened as a result of the internet.
Whilst it is used for violent<br>or aggressive purposes, the internet has
contributed significantly to<br>the 'fraternity between nations' (peace
prize criteria), to create<br>political stability, to protect and promote
human rights and to allow<br>for cross border relationships.<br><br>I dont
feel overly strongly about this, but it is certainly a
discussion<br>starter, and waves the flag for the power of the internet to
achieve<br>peace and understanding, and serves as a warning that an open
internet<br>is worth fighting for.<br><br>Brett<br><br><br>On Thu, Sep 16,
2010 at 2:26 PM, Jeanette Hofmann <<a href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu" target="_blank">jeanette@wzb.eu</a><br></div></div>
<div>
<div></div>
<div><mailto:<a href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu" target="_blank">jeanette@wzb.eu</a>>> wrote:<br><br> Hi
all,<br><br> I realize I could have said a word more or two to
explain why I<br> don't support the nobel prize suggestion.
One of the reasons has<br> been brought up several times. The
Internet is not a human being and<br> therefore the wrong
entity to receive this prize. The second reason<br> is that
the Internet is clearly collective achievement that can<br>
hardly be attributed to a single person. It would not be the
first<br> time that an individual gets honored for the
achievements of a group<br> of people. However, I don't
understand why we would support such a<br>
practice.<br><br> I apologize for my blunt statement
last night. I probably thought<br> somebody should better say
no to this idea before it has a chance to<br> catch
on.<br><br> jeanette<br><br><br> On 16.09.2010
10:41, Avri Doria wrote:<br><br>
hi,<br><br> I initially read it that way
and though that Internet related<br> sciences
might be an interesting category. Not sure what the<br>
right name for the category would be.<br><br>
then i realized that this is probably not what the
original<br> sender meant.<br><br>
so I thought of the Internet in its role of bringing
people<br> together and fostering community and
making the world much<br> smaller and enabling
an access to knowledge that was unthinkable<br>
for most of world history. I was not sure that this was
enough<br> to merit a Nobel prize yet because
there was still so much to do<br> and still so
may warts on the Internet that needed to be fixed.<br>
but Obama got the prize for peace making before he had
done<br> anything, so I figured that maybe the
Internet and the multitude<br> of people who
invested their lives into building this thing we<br>
all depend on (whether we curse it out or bless it), deserved
it<br> more than he did at the time. but i
was still not convinced.<br><br> then i saw the
messages of this list and got very afraid of<br>
having an opinion on the topic.<br><br> so
please forget i said anything.<br><br>
a.<br><br><br><br> On 16 Sep 2010, at
12:29, shaila mistry wrote:<br><br>
Hi all<br> I saw it very
differently. I saw the Internet as anothe<br>
category. Such as literature and science. Etc. In
this<br> context the Nobel prize
would still be given to an<br>
individual. For their exceptional contributions in the
field.<br><br> In a skeptical note
, when I look at some tecie<br><br>
From: Benedek, Wolfgang (<a href="mailto:wolfgang.benedek@uni-graz.at" target="_blank">wolfgang.benedek@uni-graz.at</a><br></div></div>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:wolfgang.benedek@uni-graz.at" target="_blank">wolfgang.benedek@uni-graz.at</a>>)<<a href="mailto:wolfgang.benedek@uni-graz.at" target="_blank">wolfgang.benedek@uni-graz.at</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:wolfgang.benedek@uni-graz.at" target="_blank">wolfgang.benedek@uni-graz.at</a>>>;
<div><br> To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br></div>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>><<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>>;<br>
parminder<<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>>;
<div><br> Subject: Re: R:
[governance] Nobel Prize for The Internet<br>
Sent: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 1:49:49 AM<br><br>
May I endorse the thoughts of Parminder, I do
not see what<br> can really be
gained by the nobel prize for the internet,<br>
different from giving it to UNHCR, AI etc to point out
their<br> good work as a model for
humanity and support their concerns.<br><br>
Wolfgang Benedek<br><br><br>
Am 16.09.10 10:17 schrieb "parminder"<br>
unter<<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a><br></div>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>>:
<div>
<div></div>
<div><br><br> I am sorry,
but I hate to give human status to any<br>
artifact.... even the Internet... And Nobel prize is
for<br> human beings, maybe the
best among them or whatever.....<br>
Next we may hear is that 'the Internet has rights'.....
not<br> at all going in
good directions if you ask me :)<br><br>
(At a recent conf i was given this T shirt - dont think
what<br> the Internet can do you
you - think what you can do to the<br>
Internet -- this kind of expressions almost scare me, and<br>
make me feel belittled as a human being
in front of a<br> 'system'... Well
if we are insistent on going down that path<br>
then lets give noble prize to the 'system' instead, the
all<br> powerful
one)<br><br>
parmindr<br><br> On Thursday
16 September 2010 01:26 PM, Fiorello Cortiana wrote:<br><br><br>
We have to be pragmatic, the Nobel Prize
to the net could be<br> useful
to<br> recognize it as a commons,
the wider public space in the<br>
human history, not<br> a new
infrastructure after telegraph, telephon, radio,<br>
television and PC. This is why we need an
extension of the<br> rights
in<br> a new way: multilevel and
multistakeholder. I know what I<br>
say under<br> Berlusconi's
Government the freedom of expression on the<br>
net is in peril.<br>
With Stefano Rodotà and many other we gathered 400.000<br>
signatures under an<br>
appeal against an awful proposal of law and
this time we<br> won. Ready to the
next one :)<br><br>
Fiorello<br><br>
-----Messaggio originale-----<br>
Da: Carlos A. Afonso [mailto:<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>>]<br>
Inviato: giovedì 16 settembre 2010 9.30<br>
A: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br></div></div>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>; Jeanette Hofmann
<div><br> Cc: Shahzad
Ahmad<br> Oggetto: Re:
[governance] Nobel Prize for The Internet<br><br>
I of course agree with Jean, although perhaps I would
not<br> phrase it as bluntly
:)<br><br> --c.a.<br><br>
On 09/15/2010 07:20 PM, Jeanette Hofmann
wrote:<br><br><br><br> I think
this is a real rubbish idea and I am very much<br>
against sending<br>
any message to that effect.<br>
jeanette<br><br> On
15.09.2010 16:05, Shahzad Ahmad wrote:<br><br><br><br>
I suggest that one of CS representative strongly raise
the<br> support<br>
for the Nobel Prize for the Internet either in
the closing<br> session
or<br> in regular interventions in
the plenary. It will be good if<br>
IGF sends<br> a strong
message out on this.<br><br> Best
wishes and regards<br><br>
Shahzad<br><br><br><br><br>
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