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<DIV>You list 3 criterion for appropriate open data. Let us apply it to a quasi-governmental international body. This takes out the argument of competition and presupposes a duty to the public. It also removes the balancing act of profit versus corporate citizenry. It also removes nationalistic motivations and justifications. So let us use ICANN for the model.</DIV>
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<DIV>1. Transparency (gaining information, as in a clean, transparent<BR>windshield allowing us to see) <STRONG>I do not see this in ICANN</STRONG><BR><BR>2 . Knowledge (good analysis of the data obtained via some form of<BR>transparency - a subject for ongoing education) <STRONG>ICANN clearly uses a propaganda model as opposed to interractive participatory education.</STRONG><BR><BR>3. Remedies (ability to apply knowledge in an effective way via the<BR>courts or publicity or other means in order to alter the external<BR>environment in a beneficial way) <STRONG>ICANN specifically intentionally omits enforcement clauses in their agreements and specifically denies 3rd party right to force compliance.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>I think we know that as for WHOIS data and Name Transferring Policies and gTLD selection none of the above is a priority or requirement for ICANN. So I assume you are saying that ICANNs' data is unreliable, untrustworthy and bordering on completely bad?<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Paul Lehto <lehto.paul@gmail.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Eric Dierker <cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Michael Gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com>; Rui Correia <correia.rui@gmail.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tue, September 7, 2010 12:42:27 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [governance] FW: Blogpost: Open Data: Empowering the Empowered or<BR></FONT><BR>On 9/7/10, Eric Dierker <<A href="mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net" ymailto="mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net">cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</A>> wrote:<BR>> No matter what: Marketing is education and education is marketing. Knowledge<BR>> and<BR>> wisdom come from discerning what something teaches us. It does not come<BR>> from<BR>> deciding
if it is true or reliable. Data must be taken in context just like<BR>> the<BR>> words we use. If you learn something from a free advertisement, one can<BR>> only<BR>> hope you have the intelligence to know that you did not just learn exactly<BR>> what<BR>> the ad said, but rather something about the product or service that is<BR>> helpful<BR>> to making informed decisions. "juicy fruit" is neither it is a gum. But we<BR>> learn from the ad and marketing that juicy and fruit are what the sellers<BR>> want<BR>> us to think about their product --- so do we buy it because it is a juicy<BR>> piece<BR>> of fruit -- no,, but because we like the jingle and it was displayed well<BR>> -- we<BR>> know that.<BR>><BR>> Please get off the notion of protecting us from ourselves.<BR><BR>OK Eric, you are showing that you are smart enough to distinguish an<BR>advertising message from the truth of
the matter. This is the<BR>distinction that I'm pointing to, and you yourself demonstrate an<BR>application of it. That being said, there are much more subtle and<BR>difficult applications of the principle when the data is not in the<BR>form of an obvious jingle, but is, for example, economic data provided<BR>by a government as supposedly objective data, or corporate economic<BR>forecasts that can emanate from cooked books. I stipulate that you<BR>are also aware of risks there, but this is a topic for legitimate<BR>public education, and you were not born knowing these things.<BR>Therefore I do not agree that people are 'stupid' if they need to<BR>either be taught these things or reminded of them. Nor is it fair to<BR>say this is "protecting us from ourselves", instead it is enabling<BR>each individual to think for themselves and to question sources of<BR>data and/or authority, because "open" data does not necessarily
mean<BR>accurate and truthful data, nor does open data mean that our hard won<BR>knowledge is something we can actually do something about, because we<BR>may lack realistic remedies. Effectiveness comes in three parts:<BR><BR>1. Transparency (gaining information, as in a clean, transparent<BR>windshield allowing us to see)<BR><BR>2 . Knowledge (good analysis of the data obtained via some form of<BR>transparency - a subject for ongoing education)<BR><BR>3. Remedies (ability to apply knowledge in an effective way via the<BR>courts or publicity or other means in order to alter the external<BR>environment in a beneficial way)<BR><BR>Paul Lehto, J.D.<BR><BR>> ________________________________<BR>> From: Paul Lehto <<A href="mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com">lehto.paul@gmail.com</A>><BR>> To: <A href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org"
ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A>; Michael Gurstein <<A href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</A>><BR>> Cc: Rui Correia <<A href="mailto:correia.rui@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:correia.rui@gmail.com">correia.rui@gmail.com</A>><BR>> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 9:25:58 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: Blogpost: Open Data: Empowering the Empowered<BR>> or<BR>><BR>> "Open data" is a public good, but unless it is "open and honest" data,<BR>> the public is in effect being manipulated rather than manipulating<BR>> honest data. I'm inclined to support open data but with a major<BR>> caveat.<BR>><BR>> Hard won data and knowledge, such as professional knowledge, IP, etc.,<BR>> tends to be hoarded on the stated grounds of recovering investment &<BR>> profiting from innovation. If it is initially protected
data/knowledge<BR>> and then liberated to be open, it is more likely reliable or honest<BR>> data or knowledge. When it is provided for free in the first place,<BR>> since most data has at least a nominal cost and some of the best data<BR>> is hard to come by, it raises the question of whether open data is<BR>> open and honest data.<BR>><BR>> Advertising is always free to us, and the advertising industry stands<BR>> as a trillion dollar proof of the eagerness to provide us with free,<BR>> open data in order to manipulate us in the direction of the data<BR>> provider's will.<BR>><BR>> Paul Lehto, J.D.<BR>><BR>> On 9/3/10, Michael Gurstein <<A href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>> Sorry Rui, the context is the on-going and extremely interesting<BR>>> discussion<BR>>> around "open data" (follow the links
below...<BR>>><BR>>> Several of those involved in this list are also involved in issues around<BR>>> "open data/knowledge" although I'm not really sure there is a direct<BR>>> connection to Internet Governance.<BR>>><BR>>> "The open data <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Data> movement in the<BR>>> area of access to public (and other) information is a relatively new but<BR>>> very significant, and potentially powerful, emerging force. It has now<BR>>> been<BR>>> widely endorsed by among others<BR>>> <http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_berners_lee_the_year_open_data_went_worldwide.<BR>>> html> Tim Berners-Lee the Father of the Internet. The overall intention is<BR>>> to make local, regional and national data (and particularly publicly<BR>>> acquired data) available in a form that allows for direct manipulation<BR>>> using<BR>>> software
tools as for example, for the purposes of cross-tabulation,<BR>>> visualization, mapping and so on."<BR>>><BR>>> Mike<BR>>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: Rui Correia [mailto:<A href="mailto:correia.rui@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:correia.rui@gmail.com">correia.rui@gmail.com</A>]<BR>>> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:17 AM<BR>>> To: <A href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A>; Michael Gurstein<BR>>> Subject: Re: [governance] FW: Blogpost: Open Data: Empowering the<BR>>> Empowered<BR>>> or<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Mike<BR>>><BR>>> What exactly do you mean by data and access to data?<BR>>><BR>>> Rui<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On 3 September 2010 14:46, Michael Gurstein <<A href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Perhaps a wee bit off topic, but there may be an interest.<BR>>><BR>>> Mike<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Efforts to extend access to "data" will perhaps inevitably create a "data<BR>>> divide" parallel to the oft-discussed "digital divide" between those who<BR>>> have access to data which could have significance in their daily lives and<BR>>> those who don't. Associated with this will one can assume, be many of the<BR>>> same background conditions which have been identified as likely reasons<BR>>> for<BR>>> the digital divide-that is differences in income, education, literacy and<BR>>> so<BR>>> on. However, just as with the "digital divide", these divisions don't<BR>>> simply stop or be resolved with the provision of digital (or data)<BR>>> "access".<BR>>>
What is necessary as well, is that those for whom access is being provided<BR>>> are in a position to actually make use of the now available access (to the<BR>>> Internet or to data) in ways that are meaningful and beneficial for them.<BR>>><BR>>> http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/open-data-empowering-the-empowered-<BR>>> <http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/open-data-empowering-the-empowered<BR>>> -%0Aor-effective-data-use-for-everyone/><BR>>> or-effective-data-use-for-everyone/<BR>>><BR>>> ____________________________________________________________<BR>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR>>> <A href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>>> To be removed from the list, send any message to:<BR>>> <A
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