<span style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">Hi,</span><br style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;"><br style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">While it may be strategic for WSIS to be held in NYC due to its proximity to the UN, with the idea that the closest location will hit the target the hardest. </span><br style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">We can achieve both, reaching the WSIS objective and wider participation by choosing countries with less Visa difficulties unlike like the IGF in Schengen countries and now proposal for WSIS in NYC would not encourage greater participation from developing countries. How would we promote multi-stakeholderism if this is the approach we are taking now?</span><br style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">Would we still achieve our objective if WSIS was held in Hong Kong, Bangkok, or other less visa difficult countries with wider participation?</span><br style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">
<br style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">Parkop Kisokau</span><br style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">USTB - BJ CN.</span><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:47 AM, shaila mistry <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shailam@yahoo.com">shailam@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div style="font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; font-size: 10pt;">Hi <br>I enjoy coming to Europe so I like the idea of Geneva. Having said that, New York may also be consideration for the centrality it offers. As an added perspective, I have been serving on another Commission at the UN for the past 10 years and despite having our conferences in the midst of blizzard season in February and March we have had attendance from all regions ranging from 5000-10000 people , One special year we even had 15000 if I'm not mistaken. In fact if anything the African pacific countries attendance is always strong example . So notwithstanding visa situation UN NY was and is still a popular venue.<br>
Shaila Rao Mistry<br><div> </div><font face="comic sans ms"><b></b></font><div style="font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Ginger Paque <<a href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpaque@gmail.com</a>><br>
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, September 6, 2010 2:38:05 PM<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] RE: WSIS Forum 2011<br></div>
</div></font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> If our priority is inclusion and a wide range of participation (for me it is), then I think the main argument is indeed ease and cost of travel and visas. However, I think we should ask for WHOM it is going to be easier. NY is easier for me, but I am not a priority for inclusion. I would like to see a stakeholder and geographic breakdown of the attendance list for the '2004
WGIG-inspired meeting in New York was more widely attended' that Milton mentions, as I wonder if this attendance included a wide participation of Africa, Caribbean, Pacific Asian and South American stakeholders, or if it was logically centered on US and US-based participants. Is this data available?<br>
<br> Is it possible to do a poll or other sounding to find out which (NY or Geneva) venue would result in a wider (theoretical) range of inclusion, particularly for less represented regions?<br> <br>
Best, gp<br>
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<br> On 9/6/2010 4:42 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: <blockquote type="cite"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I view the groundswell for Geneva on this list to be a bit self-serving. Of course your Geneva-based orgs want it to stay there. I don’t see why IGC should endorse that as a “pro civil society” position. The only argument of any merit is the visa difficulty issue – if, as Tracy calls into question, that difference still exists. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I have my own self-interest, of course, but it seems to me that WSIS and IGF both are highly Euro-centric operations and it would be good to move it away from Europe for at least once. Whether its NY or Vancouver or Hong Kong or Panama matters less to me, although of course NYC is most convenient to me. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Wolfgang’s argument that there are more CS organizations in Geneva seems false to me; there are probably more CS organizations in the 300-mi
radius of NYC (which includes Montreal and probably also Toronto) than anywhere else in the world. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">As a strict empirical test of the “reduced participation” claim, let me point out that the March 2004 WGIG-inspired meeting in New York was more widely attended than any subsequent WGIG consultation. I think you can count on a bang-up turnout, if nothing else, if you hold it in NY. </span></p>
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<div> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> William Drake [<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" target="_blank">mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 06, 2010 3:23 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Sivasubramanian M<br> <b>Cc:</b> Governance List<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] RE: WSIS Forum 2011</span></p>
</div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <p class="MsoNormal">Hi</p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">
Just read the ICC's statement, which states in part, "The WSIS action lines Forum events in Geneva have drawn upon the fact that many key organizations are located in Geneva, and the participation of many stakeholders, business included, has been facilitated by the fact that other WSIS related activities take place around the same dates. This has enabled participation by many because it took into account the limited time, financial and human resources of many across stakeholder groups. Organizing the WSIS action lines Forum 2011 in New York risks decreasing participation because it would require extensive
travel for those participating in the other WSIS related activities in May in Geneva. Feedback from ICC BASIS members and other stakeholders indicates that obtaining visas for the US is extremely difficult for many particularly from developing countries. This would in turn decrease the range of participants. ICC BASIS supports having the WSIS action lines Forum 2011 hosted in Geneva, or by the next lead facilitator, UNESCO in Paris."</p>
</div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="http://www.iccwbo.org/uploadedFiles/BASIS/Documents/ICC_BASIS_stmt_re_WSIS_Forum_2011_venue_FINAL_6Sept10.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.iccwbo.org/uploadedFiles/BASIS/Documents/ICC_BASIS_stmt_re_WSIS_Forum_2011_venue_FINAL_6Sept10.pdf</a></span></p>
</div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Is this a reasonable position from an IGC perspective…?</p>
</div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Bill</p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:</p> </div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br> <br> </p> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">2010/9/6 William Drake <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch</a>></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br> <br> We can toss around ideas about where an ideal venue that causes the least hassle for the most people might be, but the WSIS Forum will be held in either New York or Geneva.
Lee is probably right about mainstreaming; the question is, on what/whose terms? Personally, I have never noticed that all that many CS people actually attend the WSIS Forums in the first place; they're certainly not much in evidence on the panels, which are largely selected by ITU on an "expert" rather than "stakeholder" basis. But to the extent that IG/ICT-oriented CS people do wish to attend, one would think there's probably greater synergies and cost effectiveness for them in keeping it in Geneva during the same two week bloc as the IGF consultation (assuming those remain in Geneva) and the CSTD. For CS people
working in the other areas that are in the UN NY's bailiwick, e.g. disarmament et al, NY is obviously more convenient, but would they be all that interested enough in the typical WSIS Forum topics to attend? Unclear. And I suppose one could widen the optic further and wonder whether this might fit in with larger discussions about the management of ICT-related activities connected to DESA…<br>
<br> Should there be an IGC response to ITU's "Open Consultation" (means we can use their website, not enter the building), or would consensus being difficult to achieve?</p>
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</div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">If CS does not assert its stakes in WSIS process, the WSIS panels could be engineered to lead to conclusions that the ITU desires, which would be a step back from the progress that the IGF has made. </p>
</div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">There needs to be an IGC response. Also, IGC could reach out to fair and neutral international organizations to object to and alter the process.</p>
</div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Sivasubramanian M</p> </div>
<div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;">
<p class="MsoNormal"><br> Best,<br> <br> Bill</p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">
<br> On Sep 6, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Lee W McKnight wrote:<br> <br> > Hi,<br> ><br> > Speaking as
an academic for whom I admit New York City is convenient and would lowering my personal costs and logistics hassles, we can agree that UN venue decisions have impacts that may vary depending upon where one is coming from. Geneva is a fine (expensive) city, New York has its virtues too.<br>
><br> > A move to New York for wsis 2011 would to me signal a mainstreaming of IG issues wthin UN system; as would establishment of a permanent secretariat in yet a 3rd (developing?) location.<br>
><br> > But Wolfgang, the argument that it would be more difficult to get
media/public attention - in New York City - doesn't make much sense to me. In principle it should be easier. There's certainly plenty of media outlets hanging around already looking for things to talk and write about.<br>
><br> > Anyway, as I suggested before, while civil society has some success at substantive issues around IG, venue/location decisions I am afraid remain power politics/business as usual choices.<br>
><br> > Lee<br> > ________________________________________<br> > From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" [<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de" target="_blank">wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de</a>]<br>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:33 AM<br> > To: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:wsis-info@itu.int" target="_blank">wsis-info@itu.int</a><br> > Cc: <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>
> Subject: [governance] WSIS Forum 2011<br> ><br> > Dear friends<br> ><br> > I disagree with the argument that a move from Geneva to to New York of the WSIS Forum 2011
would improve outreach and bring WSIS implementation forward. In contrary I am afraid that a move to NewYork will weaken in particular the involvement of civil society and the academic community as important stakeholders in the WSIS process. A large number of civil society organisations, including represenations of organisations from developing countries, are based in Geneva or not far from Geneva. Moving the event to New York would create additional costs and logistic problems for them which would result in lower participation of civil society organisations. This would certainly undermine the
multistakeholder nature of the WSIS implementaiton process.<br> ><br> > Another risk moving the WSIS Forum 2011 to New York would be that the important WSIS issues would be discussed in the shadow of more important political and security issues which dominate the day to day UN acitvities in New York. The WSIS Forum would be just "another conference" and would have difficulties to get the needed public attention.<br>
><br> > Finally I want to flag that in same week the European Union has its annual Future of the Internet Week meetings under the
Hungarian Presidency in Budapest.<br> ><br> ><br> > Regards<br> ><br>
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