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<font face="Verdana">I agree with Shiva, but understand Bill's
concern about consensus. Bill, can you draft a proposed statement
that directly deals with the issue, so the discussion </font>can
stay focussed?<br>
Thanks to all who have offered info and comments. gp<br>
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On 9/6/2010 2:26 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
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padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
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We can toss around ideas about where an ideal venue that
causes the least hassle for the most people might be, but the
WSIS Forum will be held in either New York or Geneva. Lee is
probably right about mainstreaming; the question is, on
what/whose terms? Personally, I have never noticed that all
that many CS people actually attend the WSIS Forums in the
first place; they're certainly not much in evidence on the
panels, which are largely selected by ITU on an "expert"
rather than "stakeholder" basis. But to the extent that
IG/ICT-oriented CS people do wish to attend, one would think
there's probably greater synergies and cost effectiveness for
them in keeping it in Geneva during the same two week bloc as
the IGF consultation (assuming those remain in Geneva) and the
CSTD. For CS people working in the other areas that are in
the UN NY's bailiwick, e.g. disarmament et al, NY is obviously
more convenient, but would they be all that interested enough
in the typical WSIS Forum topics to attend? Unclear. And I
suppose one could widen the optic further and wonder whether
this might fit in with larger discussions about the management
of ICT-related activities connected to DESA…<br>
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Should there be an IGC response to ITU's "Open Consultation"
(means we can use their website, not enter the building), or
would consensus being difficult to achieve?<br>
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<div>If CS does not assert its stakes in WSIS process, the WSIS
panels could be engineered to lead to conclusions that the ITU
desires, which would be a step back from the progress that the
IGF has made. </div>
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<div>There needs to be an IGC response. Also, IGC could reach
out to fair and neutral international organizations to object
to and alter the process.</div>
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Best,<br>
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Bill<br>
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On Sep 6, 2010, at 6:35 PM, Lee W McKnight wrote:<br>
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> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Speaking as an academic for whom I admit New York
City is convenient and would lowering my personal costs
and logistics hassles, we can agree that UN venue
decisions have impacts that may vary depending upon where
one is coming from. Geneva is a fine (expensive) city, New
York has its virtues too.<br>
><br>
> A move to New York for wsis 2011 would to me signal a
mainstreaming of IG issues wthin UN system; as would
establishment of a permanent secretariat in yet a 3rd
(developing?) location.<br>
><br>
> But Wolfgang, the argument that it would be more
difficult to get media/public attention - in New York City
- doesn't make much sense to me. In principle it should
be easier. There's certainly plenty of media outlets
hanging around already looking for things to talk and
write about.<br>
><br>
> Anyway, as I suggested before, while civil society
has some success at substantive issues around IG,
venue/location decisions I am afraid remain power
politics/business as usual choices.<br>
><br>
> Lee<br>
> ________________________________________<br>
> From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" [<a
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> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 11:33 AM<br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> Subject: [governance] WSIS Forum 2011<br>
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> Dear friends<br>
><br>
> I disagree with the argument that a move from Geneva
to to New York of the WSIS Forum 2011 would improve
outreach and bring WSIS implementation forward. In
contrary I am afraid that a move to NewYork will weaken in
particular the involvement of civil society and the
academic community as important stakeholders in the WSIS
process. A large number of civil society organisations,
including represenations of organisations from developing
countries, are based in Geneva or not far from Geneva.
Moving the event to New York would create additional costs
and logistic problems for them which would result in lower
participation of civil society organisations. This would
certainly undermine the multistakeholder nature of the
WSIS implementaiton process.<br>
><br>
> Another risk moving the WSIS Forum 2011 to New York
would be that the important WSIS issues would be discussed
in the shadow of more important political and security
issues which dominate the day to day UN acitvities in New
York. The WSIS Forum would be just "another conference"
and would have difficulties to get the needed public
attention.<br>
><br>
> Finally I want to flag that in same week the European
Union has its annual Future of the Internet Week meetings
under the Hungarian Presidency in Budapest.<br>
><br>
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> Regards<br>
><br>
> Wolfgang Kleinwächter<br>
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