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<font face="Verdana">We need to work on the selection of speakers,
and I ask that you discuss, support and suggest on the speaker
thread. On this thread, may we please have suggestions for two
(one opening, one closing) topics and main points to be made?<br>
<br>
We seem (my impression, not a formal decision) to have informal
consensus that chosen speakers 'should' speak on the topics, and
with main points as defined by the IGC in this discussion. If you
disagree, particularly if you are a nominated speaker, please post
your views as well.<br>
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Comments, suggestions, feedback needed. thanks, best, Ginger<br>
<br>
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On 8/24/2010 11:42 PM, Eric Dierker wrote:
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<div>Ginger,</div>
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<div>When I think back on speeches I witnessed and those I have
read, that made an impact, I usually just remember the
substance. And on some I remember the speaker but danged if I
remember what position they were speaking from. I do remember
Mandela making some speech but I could not say in what
capacity. I remember "I have a dream" but I do not even know
in what capacity the Rev. spoke. Likewise Ho Chi Minh made
some I loved but as a student and I know this includes the
great Ghandijji also but before Independence, so in what role
I do not know.</div>
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<div>Let us bring together people with speakers who unite and
ignite. Whether the speech is a bellweather will depend upon
the message and not the messenger. Let us hear what our best
contributors have to say, let them strike a cord of interest,
let them lead us to further dialogue and deeper thought. Only
the power of their words - or the absence of, will determine
if they speak for the greater community.</div>
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<div>As for me, I trust completely that the words from our
co-coordinators will ring with earnestness, passion and
intelligence. I participated in the vote for them not so as
to exclude them but to franchise them with an empowerment to
do their best and they have honored that trust.</div>
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<div>Eric</div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
Ginger Paque <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com"><gpaque@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
Bertrand de La Chapelle <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bdelachapelle@gmail.com"><bdelachapelle@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Mawaki Chango
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com"><kichango@gmail.com></a>; Jeremy Malcolm
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org"><jeremy@ciroap.org></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue,
August 24, 2010 11:25:32 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [governance] On opening and closing statements (Bill
and Paul's<br>
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<font face="Verdana">This topic and Bertrand's proposal
bring up an interesting and important discussion for the
IGC and our communications. I think we should consider
this carefully.<br>
<br>
The suggestion that the co-coordinators speak may be a
very timely opportunity to bring together the IGC
position, in juxtaposition with a critical moment for the
IGF process. It has the possibility to help the IGC mature
into a more significant voice for CS.<br>
<br>
However, if we are to effectively harness the power of
this moment, we must also recognize that the
co-coordinators as such, will not (imho) any longer be
speaking as individuals, but as the IGC, and so the
presentations must necessarily be very carefully prepared.<br>
<br>
May we please have more opinions on this possibility, as
well as suggestions on how to prepare the statements, from
those who are in favor?<br>
<br>
Thanks to everyone,<br>
Best, Ginger<br>
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On 8/24/2010 3:54 AM, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Dear Mawaki, Ginger, Jeremy and all,<br>
<br>
I stand to be corrected, meaning I may have overstated my
understanding of past practice. So thanks for the vigilant
attention of friends here.<br>
<br>
However, we have collectively drafted caucus positions for
most IGF open consultations and it seemed to work pretty
well as it precisely allowed to iron out potential
differences and find consensus. Why would it not be
possible and useful for the IGF itself ?<br>
<br>
The rationale for my suggestion was that recent
discussions showed - legitimate and understandable -
differences of approach among prominent members of the
list regarding the IGF exercise itself and the road
forward. Hence, at this strategic juncture, the selection
of speakers should not become an implicit vote for one
vision versus another but an opportunity to identify
elements of consensus and possible alternative options to
nurture the debate. <br>
<br>
Moreover, an exchange now on the list about the main
themes and elements of opening and closing interventions
is the opportunity to have an in-depth discussion on the
topic of "improvements" that we have not conducted so far
in a structured manner. <br>
<br>
In view of the feedback on my previous post, I'd therefore
like to reformulate the proposal as follows :<br>
<br>
1) why don't we choose our two co-coordinators on the list
(Ginger and Jeremy) as speakers ? It would provide
geographic (latin america and asia-pacific), gender, and
diversity of approaches (Jeremy does not have a reputation
of being particularly tender with the IGF :-)<br>
<br>
2) instead of a full drafting of the speeches, which I
agree was maybe a bit too much, a preparation on the list
could help them identify the main strategic issues, some
consensus formulations and the potential points of
divergence (aka "options"). This is close to Mawaki's idea
of "talking points"<br>
<br>
As often, the caucus works best when there is a specific
deadline and this would be very useful preparatory work
for the next milestones during the end of the year.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Bertrand<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:17 AM,
Mawaki Chango <span dir="ltr"><<a
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wrote:<br>
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1ex; margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid
rgb(204, 204, 204);">I too was surprised to read that
bold highlight ("clearly calls<br>
for...") as if it is a requirement following from some
IGF rules &<br>
procedures or that there was a written rule (or a
proven practice) in<br>
the Caucus to that particular effect, which I don't
remember (and<br>
frankly I might have missed, but hopefully not
Jeremy).<br>
<br>
I'm confident based on the experience this group has
so far<br>
accumulated that whoever is chosen in the end will
undertand that this<br>
is not to be used as a self-serving opportunity, and
will try to<br>
reflect the variety of viewpoints existing in this
community while<br>
emphasizing the main views and consensus items
wherever there are any.<br>
I see the possibility for the Caucus perhaps to
suggest a couple of<br>
talking points (for the most important issues on the
agenda) but<br>
really not a collective elaboration of a full speech.<br>
<br>
Just my opinion.<br>
<br>
Mawaki<br>
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Jeremy Malcolm
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wrote:<br>
> On 24-Aug-2010, at 12:51 AM, Bertrand de La
Chapelle<br>
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wrote:<br>
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> What Bill was alluding to is that
irrespective of who speaks, the message is<br>
> the most important and it has : a) to fully
take into account the issues<br>
> that are being discussed (and will be in
other fora like the UN GA and the<br>
> CSTD), which means a strategic approach; and
b) that if the IGC proposes a<br>
> name, there is agreement that the speech is
not up to the speaker to draft<br>
> entirely on its own but should reflect the
various sensitivities present in<br>
> the IGC itself. This should be our
understanding (and practice) of<br>
> democracy.<br>
><br>
> I agree up until now, but...<br>
><br>
> This clearly calls for draft speeches to be
elaborated on the list, as has<br>
> successfully been done in the past, with
sufficient opportunities for people<br>
> to input and sufficient respect to the
diversity of viewpoints.<br>
><br>
> This I think would be a new practice for us.
Yes we have done as you<br>
> describe with IGC statements many times, but
not with opening and closing<br>
> civil society statements, which have not been
treated as IGC statements and<br>
> have been left to the reasonable discretion
of those nominated.<br>
> Our trust in those we shall nominate is based
on the understanding they will<br>
> not depart too radically from our general
views.<br>
> Anyway I am not discounting what you say but
I do not think it is, as your<br>
> post seems to suggest, our past practice. I
will consult Ginger for her<br>
> views and also invite others to comment.<br>
> I would reply at more length, but just became
a new father again some hours<br>
> ago and am preoccupied at hospital. :-)<br>
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