<div class="gmail_quote"><div>Dear Parminder and everyone,</div><div>I am very conscious of the fact that I am NOT a techie, so please forgive me if I am stating the obvious/making a fool of myself or both. As far as I am concerned "network neutrality" speaks to the management of the hardware, software and traffic of the internet to preserve interoperability and open equitable access</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><blockquote type="cite"><pre><span style="font-family:arial">... a civil society advocacy group perspective which needs to
probe the deeper policy issues and come up with responses that serve
the progressive cause and advoacte them strongly on behalf of those who
cannot be present in these forums but whose lives are nonetheless
greatly affected by these developments. </span></pre></blockquote></div>
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In any case, at least in my view, Internet is not just a market place,
it is a social space for our non-commerical social interactions, it is
a public media and a public sphere, it is a space for exercising
citizenship. Perhaps without discussions on these deeper issues and
essential nature of the Internet and what we take it to be, discussions
on a 'simple act' of a free Internet based service wont go anywhere. <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I was prodded into replying by what Parminder has to say quoted above. This aspect of the Internet is deeply important to me. For some time I have been alarmed at and thinking about a predatory behaviour online which I describe to myself as "webherding". Subsequently I discovered that other people call the same phenomenon "social engineering" which sounds almost respectable :-)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Herding behaviour is something that man has learned to make use of to his benefit - but at the same time sharks do it, wolves do it, very much to the detriment of that which is herded. When herded, creatures lose their individuality, and the possibility of innovation, the possibility of choice. A world is created which is the diametric opposite of the type of world the Internet is sold to us as being.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Somehow our perception of the world has been shifted to a focus where business ethics have become a sort of norm - if it is good business then it is also generally good and should not be questioned.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Deirdre</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><font color="#888888">
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Parminder <br></font><div><div></div><div>
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<pre>Innovation tumbles over innovation, that's the law.
Carlton
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From: Ginger Paque [<a href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:gpaque@gmail.com</a>]
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To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Ian Peter
Subject: Re: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
Ian and Parminder,
This is an interesting point for me, but I wonder where the line is
between advertising and other issues, like 'free benefits' which David
mentions. For instance, when text messaging was first available in
Venezuela, it was free. It was free for long enough to get everyone
hooked on it. Then they started charging for it.
It is difficult for me to see this as a NN issue since it sounds more
like a 'free trial', or a 'package deal' that attracts customers. My
serious issues with NN are lack of transparency, not marketing.
Where do you see this 'line'?
I think this is a good time to discuss NN so that we can be more
productive in Vilnius.
Best, Ginger
On 8/7/2010 11:23 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
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<pre>Hi Parminder,
Unfortunately Australia has already jumped ship on this too. It is common
practice for ISPs here (who have volume charging regimes) to create free
zones of their partner sites which do not attract volume charges and/or
traffic shaping when people exceed download limits. Nobody here seems to
want to pick this up as an issue. To me, this is a distortion of a free
market and an open Internet at the same time and should be attracting a lot
more attention.
The mobile world, as you mention, brings with it other distortions and
potential distortions (eg built in apps and interfaces)
I agree - we should discuss.
Ian Peter
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<pre>From: parminder<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank"><parminder@itforchange.net></a>
Reply-To:<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank"><governance@lists.cpsr.org></a>, parminder<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank"><parminder@itforchange.net></a>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 08:51:02 +0530
To:<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank"><governance@lists.cpsr.org></a>,<a href="mailto:ciresearchers@vancouvercommunity.net" target="_blank"><ciresearchers@vancouvercommunity.net></a>
Subject: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
Hi All
The biggest mobile operator in India, Airtel, is providing Facebook free
of data download charges in India (apparently, only for 2 months). I
understand this is happening in other countries too; i read about
something similar in Russia.
I consider this as an outright violation of net neutrality (NN).
Since there are existing codes of conduct on NN in some countries like
Norway and Brazil, I will like to know from those who know and
understand these country specific arrangements well if such a thing as
above will be considered a NN violation under these codes.
If indeed developing countries are to have any chance of being a part of
shaping and governing the future of the Internet, we should start
testing such cases as above with the telecom regulatory authourities,
and if needed with courts and anti-trust bodies.
Parminder
PS: See latest developments on NN debate in the US at
<a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/google-verizon-close-to-their" target="_blank">http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/google-verizon-close-to-their</a>-
own-net-neutrality-deal.ars
It appears that there is some move to treat wireless or mobile based
Internet on a different level vis a vis NN than wired Internet.
As the largest market players - here, Verizon and Google - seek to
arrive at a mutually convenient arrangement, and the only other party
to it is the US gov, itself representing very partisan, and largely
dominant, interests, as far as the global public Internet is concerned,
the real shape of global IG is quite evident. Where does the IGF, and
indeed the IGC come into this may be a question that we need to ponder
upon.
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