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<font face="Verdana">Agreed on the topics... Thanks, David.<br>
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What I would really like to read are substantive positions on these
topics by experts in the area.<br>
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On 8/8/2010 7:44 AM, David Goldstein wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Ginger,
You could start with:
- privacy - the WSJ has focussed on this this week
- the net neutrality debate that has been in the news this week and additionally
how this impacts on Google re FT article and others such as how the US should
lead on internet governance
- Blackberry issues
- US cyber bill re threats to energy infrastructure.
And that's just from the news I've collated in the last 3 days.
David
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Sent: Sun, 8 August, 2010 10:07:15 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
David,
Could you please bring up the issues you think are most important for
discussion? I would like to read views on the most important NN issues
right now.
Thanks,
Ginger
On 8/8/2010 1:41 AM, David Goldstein wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I can only say this is a bit absurd Ian. Next you'll be going after airlines
for
giving their frequent flyers benefits over non-frequent flyers. Or the
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<pre wrap="">Telstra gives for customers who bundle their services.
There are many other internet issues that I see every week that are never
addressed in this group, and you want to focus on this trivial issue?
Regards,
David
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From: Ian Peter<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"><ian.peter@ianpeter.com></a>
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Sent: Sun, 8 August, 2010 1:53:25 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
Hi Parminder,
Unfortunately Australia has already jumped ship on this too. It is common
practice for ISPs here (who have volume charging regimes) to create free
zones of their partner sites which do not attract volume charges and/or
traffic shaping when people exceed download limits. Nobody here seems to
want to pick this up as an issue. To me, this is a distortion of a free
market and an open Internet at the same time and should be attracting a lot
more attention.
The mobile world, as you mention, brings with it other distortions and
potential distortions (eg built in apps and interfaces)
I agree - we should discuss.
Ian Peter
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<pre wrap="">From: parminder<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"><parminder@itforchange.net></a>
Reply-To:<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org"><governance@lists.cpsr.org></a>, parminder<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"><parminder@itforchange.net></a>
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 08:51:02 +0530
To:<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org"><governance@lists.cpsr.org></a>,<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ciresearchers@vancouvercommunity.net"><ciresearchers@vancouvercommunity.net></a>
Subject: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
Hi All
The biggest mobile operator in India, Airtel, is providing Facebook free
of data download charges in India (apparently, only for 2 months). I
understand this is happening in other countries too; i read about
something similar in Russia.
I consider this as an outright violation of net neutrality (NN).
Since there are existing codes of conduct on NN in some countries like
Norway and Brazil, I will like to know from those who know and
understand these country specific arrangements well if such a thing as
above will be considered a NN violation under these codes.
If indeed developing countries are to have any chance of being a part of
shaping and governing the future of the Internet, we should start
testing such cases as above with the telecom regulatory authourities,
and if needed with courts and anti-trust bodies.
Parminder
PS: See latest developments on NN debate in the US at
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<pre wrap="">own-net-neutrality-deal.ars
It appears that there is some move to treat wireless or mobile based
Internet on a different level vis a vis NN than wired Internet.
As the largest market players - here, Verizon and Google - seek to
arrive at a mutually convenient arrangement, and the only other party
to it is the US gov, itself representing very partisan, and largely
dominant, interests, as far as the global public Internet is concerned,
the real shape of global IG is quite evident. Where does the IGF, and
indeed the IGC come into this may be a question that we need to ponder
upon.
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