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<DIV>Are we this far apart?</DIV>
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<DIV>Networks are neutral combinations or machines that perform an on off function without quality values.</DIV>
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<DIV>Networks are groups of tools used by groups of people to accomplish a goal</DIV>
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<DIV>If they are yours, the first one I agree with you.</DIV>
<DIV>If they are mine, the second, I disagree with you.</DIV>
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<DIV>If they are neither but a combination of both then I am right, they have no business being called neutral.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 2/23/10, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <I><isolatedn@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>If the network is 'stupid' and remains so, it can not possibly be conducting illegal activity and it wouldn't be right to hold it responsible. Your observation would become relevant if the networks become 'intelligent' by commercial design as desired by the telecommunication business union, or by narrow Governments who believe in network surveillance.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="verdana, sans-serif"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#996633>It is a complex situation. If legal provisions are created to make the networks accountable, the networks would be forced to build in the 'intelligence' required to discriminate, which would accord the capability for the networks to indulge in undesirable activities, as an unintended consequence.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="verdana, sans-serif"><FONT class=Apple-style-span color=#996633>But in a climate of policies favorable to network neutrality, "network immunity" becomes a relevant concept. At least it merits an open debate. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Eric Dierker <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net">cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>This is very good work in my always, trying to be, but never humble opinion. There is a serious legalize type flaw however. The problem is in the sentenced I bolded. This language creates a bit more than even a presumption of innocence beyond question regarding <EM>Networks.</EM> Through the eyes of a judge this language may even suggest that a Network cannot legally be conducting illicit activity. Clearly what is desired here is to prevent attack on a Network without cause to believe they have actually done anything wrong. The language presents itself as saying the Networks are always neutral and not saying that an infact neutral network should be held harmless. I do not believe it is your desire to give immunity to Networks but rather to protect innocent neutral networks.
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<DIV class=h5><BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 2/23/10, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <I><A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=isolatedn@gmail.com%3E+wrote:" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com%3E+wrote:">isolatedn@gmail.com></A></I></B> wrote:</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#996633><FONT size=2><FONT face=verdana,sans-serif>Hello Andres Piazza,<BR><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT color=#996633><FONT size=2><FONT face=verdana,sans-serif><BR>I posted this at </FONT></FONT></FONT><A href="http://isocmadras.blogspot.com/2010/02/inspiration-from-brazil-principles-for.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://isocmadras.blogspot.com/2010/02/inspiration-from-brazil-principles-for.html</A><BR><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(153,102,51)">after making some finer changes from Carlos' text.</SPAN><BR style="COLOR: rgb(153,102,51)"><BR style="COLOR: rgb(153,102,51)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(153,102,51)">I have changed the contents of point 7 as below:</SPAN><BR style="COLOR: rgb(153,102,51)"><BR style="COLOR: rgb(153,102,51)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(153,102,51)"><STRONG>All actions against illicit activity on the network must be aimed at those directly responsible for such activities (upholding the fundamental principles freedom,
privacy and respect for human rights) and not at the network which is a neutral medium of access and transport</STRONG>. </SPAN><FONT color=#996633><FONT size=2><FONT face=verdana,sans-serif><BR style="COLOR: rgb(153,102,51)"><BR style="COLOR: rgb(153,102,51)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(153,102,51)">I have changed the sub-topic heading to "Network Impunity". Does this sound alright and convey the idea?<BR><BR>Thank you<BR>Sivasubramanian Muthusamy</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><FONT color=#996633><FONT size=2><FONT face=verdana,sans-serif><BR><BR clear=all></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Glaser, Carlos Afonso, Demi, Raquel, and all the other persons involved in CGI process, I want to congratulate you all for this iniciative.<BR><BR>I also put an "spanish translation" in my blog. <A href="http://www.andrespiazza.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>www.andrespiazza.com</A> if some of you want to make an opinion abuout this version I´ll be glad to receive that and If you want to use it, feel free.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Andrés Piazza<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2010/2/10 Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=isolatedn@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>isolatedn@gmail.com</A>></SPAN>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Glaser, I have them in simple text. See below.<BR><BR>[]s frats<BR><BR>--c.a.<BR><BR>====<BR><BR>CGI.br<BR>Internet Steering Committee in Brazil<BR><BR>Principles for the Governance and Use<BR>of the Internet in Brazil<BR><BR>CGI.br/RES/2009/003/P<BR>June 2009<BR><A href="http://www.cgi.br/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.cgi.br</A><BR>rev.June 25 2009<BR><BR>The Internet Steering Committee in Brazil - CGI.br, in its 3rd ordinary meeting of 2009 held in NIC.br headquarters in the city of São Paulo, has approved the following Resolution:<BR><BR>CGI.br/Res/2009/03/P - PRINCIPLES FOR THE GOVERNANCE AND USE OF THE INTERNET IN BRAZIL<BR><BR>Considering the need of support and orientation for its actions and decisions according to fundamental principles, the CGI.br decides to approve the following Principles for the Internet in
Brazil:<BR><BR>1. Freedom, privacy and human rights<BR>The use of the Internet must be driven by the principles of freedom of expression, individual privacy and the respect for human rights, recognizing them as essential to the preservation of a fair and democratic society.<BR><BR>2. Democratic and collaborative governance<BR>Internet governance must be exercised in a transparent, multilateral and democratic manner, with the participation of the various sectors of society, thereby preserving and encouraging its character as a collective creation.<BR><BR>3. Universality<BR>Internet access must be universal so that it becomes a tool for human and social development, thereby contributing to the formation of an inclusive and nondiscriminatory society for the benefit of all.<BR><BR>4. Diversity<BR>Cultural diversity must be respected and preserved and its expression must be
stimulated, without the imposition of beliefs, customs or values.<BR><BR><BR>5. Innovation<BR>Internet governance must promote the continuous development and widespread dissemination of new technologies and models for access and use.<BR><BR>6. Network neutrality<BR>Filtering or traffic privileges must meet ethical and technical criteria only, excluding any political, commercial, religious and cultural factors or any other form of discrimination or preferential treatment.<BR><BR>7. Network unaccountability<BR>All action taken against illicit activity on the network must be aimed at those directly responsible for such activities, and not at the means of access and transport, always upholding the fundamental principles of freedom, privacy and the respect for human rights.<BR><BR>8. Functionality, security and stability<BR>Network stability, security and overall functionality
must be actively preserved through the adoption of technical measures that are consistent with international standards and encourage the adoption of best practices.<BR><BR>9. Standardization and interoperability<BR>The Internet must be based on open standards that facilitate interoperability and enable all to participate in its development.<BR><BR>10. Legal and regulatory environments<BR>Legal and regulatory environments must preserve the dynamics of the Internet as a space for collaboration.<BR><BR>====<BR><BR><BR><A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=glaser@nic.br" target=_blank rel=nofollow>glaser@nic.br</A> wrote:<BR>
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