<div>Dear Siva:</div>
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<div>So if networks themselves get accredited with rights and duties, what will be the proportions of the famous (phrase) "artificial intellgene and natural stupidity" in the mix. (?)</div>
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<div>Warmly, Linda M F.<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2010/2/23 Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hello Eric Dierker<br><br>If the network is 'stupid' and remains so, it can not possibly be conducting<br>
illegal activity and it wouldn't be right to hold it responsible. Your<br>observation would become relevant if the networks become 'intelligent' by<br>commercial design as desired by the telecommunication business union, or by<br>
narrow Governments who believe in network surveillance.<br><br>It is a complex situation. If legal provisions are created to make the<br>networks accountable, the networks would be forced to build in the<br>'intelligence' required to discriminate, which would accord the capability<br>
for the networks to indulge in undesirable activities, as an unintended<br>consequence.<br><br>But in a climate of policies favorable to network neutrality, "network<br>immunity" becomes a relevant concept. At least it merits an open debate.<br>
<br>Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br>*<br>*<br><br><br><br>On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Eric Dierker<br><<a href="mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net">cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</a>>wrote:<br>
<div class="im"><br>> Gentlefolks,<br>><br>> This is very good work in my always, trying to be, but never humble<br>> opinion. There is a serious legalize type flaw however. The problem is in<br>> the sentenced I bolded. This language creates a bit more than even a<br>
> presumption of innocence beyond question regarding *Networks.* Through<br>> the eyes of a judge this language may even suggest that a Network cannot<br>> legally be conducting illicit activity. Clearly what is desired here is to<br>
> prevent attack on a Network without cause to believe they have actually done<br>> anything wrong. The language presents itself as saying the Networks are<br>> always neutral and not saying that an infact neutral network should be held<br>
> harmless. I do not believe it is your desire to give immunity to Networks<br>> but rather to protect innocent neutral networks.<br>><br>><br></div>> --- On *Tue, 2/23/10, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>><<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>%3E+wrote:><br>
<div class="im">> * wrote:<br>><br>> Hello Andres Piazza,<br>><br>><br>> I posted this at<br>> <a href="http://isocmadras.blogspot.com/2010/02/inspiration-from-brazil-principles-for.html" target="_blank">http://isocmadras.blogspot.com/2010/02/inspiration-from-brazil-principles-for.html</a><br>
> after making some finer changes from Carlos' text.<br>><br>> I have changed the contents of point 7 as below:<br>><br>> *All actions against illicit activity on the network must be aimed at<br>> those directly responsible for such activities (upholding the fundamental<br>
> principles freedom, privacy and respect for human rights) and not at the<br>> network which is a neutral medium of access and transport*.<br>><br>> I have changed the sub-topic heading to "Network Impunity". Does this<br>
> sound alright and convey the idea?<br>><br>> Thank you<br>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br>><br>><br>><br></div>> 2010/2/23 Andrés Piazza <<a href="mailto:andrespiazza@gmail.com">andrespiazza@gmail.com</a><<a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=andrespiazza@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=andrespiazza@gmail.com</a>><br>
<div class="im">> ><br>><br>>> Glaser, Carlos Afonso, Demi, Raquel, and all the other persons involved in<br>>> CGI process, I want to congratulate you all for this iniciative.<br>>><br>>> I also put an "spanish translation" in my blog. <a href="http://www.andrespiazza.com/" target="_blank">www.andrespiazza.com</a> if<br>
>> some of you want to make an opinion abuout this version I´ll be glad to<br>>> receive that and If you want to use it, feel free.<br>>><br>>> Regards,<br>>><br>>> Andrés Piazza<br>>><br>
</div>>> 2010/2/10 Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a><<a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=isolatedn@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=isolatedn@gmail.com</a>><br>
<div class="im">>> ><br>>><br>>> The Brazilian Principles are exemplary. If this set of principles could<br>>>> inspire the Governments the world over, Internet would remain a free and<br>>>> open medium.<br>
>>><br>>>> The Civil Society in Brazil, or better still, the Internet Steering<br>>>> Committee of Brazil could proactively send this as a model document /<br>>>> reference document to friendly governments.<br>
>>><br>>>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br>>>> <a href="http://www.isocmadras.com/" target="_blank">http://www.isocmadras.com</a><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>
>>><br></div>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Carlos A. Afonso <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca">ca@cafonso.ca</a><<a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ca@cafonso.ca</a>><br>
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<div class="h5">>>> > wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> Glaser, I have them in simple text. See below.<br>>>>><br>>>>> []s frats<br>>>>><br>>>>> --c.a.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> ====<br>>>>><br>>>>> CGI.br<br>>>>> Internet Steering Committee in Brazil<br>>>>><br>>>>> Principles for the Governance and Use<br>
>>>> of the Internet in Brazil<br>>>>><br>>>>> CGI.br/RES/2009/003/P<br>>>>> June 2009<br>>>>> <a href="http://www.cgi.br/" target="_blank">http://www.cgi.br</a><br>
>>>> rev.June 25 2009<br>>>>><br>>>>> The Internet Steering Committee in Brazil - CGI.br, in its 3rd ordinary<br>>>>> meeting of 2009 held in NIC.br headquarters in the city of São Paulo, has<br>
>>>> approved the following Resolution:<br>>>>><br>>>>> CGI.br/Res/2009/03/P - PRINCIPLES FOR THE GOVERNANCE AND USE OF THE<br>>>>> INTERNET IN BRAZIL<br>>>>><br>
>>>> Considering the need of support and orientation for its actions and<br>>>>> decisions according to fundamental principles, the CGI.br decides to approve<br>>>>> the following Principles for the Internet in Brazil:<br>
>>>><br>>>>> 1. Freedom, privacy and human rights<br>>>>> The use of the Internet must be driven by the principles of freedom of<br>>>>> expression, individual privacy and the respect for human rights, recognizing<br>
>>>> them as essential to the preservation of a fair and democratic society.<br>>>>><br>>>>> 2. Democratic and collaborative governance<br>>>>> Internet governance must be exercised in a transparent, multilateral and<br>
>>>> democratic manner, with the participation of the various sectors of<br>>>>> society, thereby preserving and encouraging its character as a collective<br>>>>> creation.<br>>>>><br>
>>>> 3. Universality<br>>>>> Internet access must be universal so that it becomes a tool for human<br>>>>> and social development, thereby contributing to the formation of an<br>>>>> inclusive and nondiscriminatory society for the benefit of all.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> 4. Diversity<br>>>>> Cultural diversity must be respected and preserved and its expression<br>>>>> must be stimulated, without the imposition of beliefs, customs or values.<br>
>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> 5. Innovation<br>>>>> Internet governance must promote the continuous development and<br>>>>> widespread dissemination of new technologies and models for access and use.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> 6. Network neutrality<br>>>>> Filtering or traffic privileges must meet ethical and technical criteria<br>>>>> only, excluding any political, commercial, religious and cultural factors or<br>
>>>> any other form of discrimination or preferential treatment.<br>>>>><br>>>>> 7. Network unaccountability<br>>>>> All action taken against illicit activity on the network must be aimed<br>
>>>> at those directly responsible for such activities, and not at the means of<br>>>>> access and transport, always upholding the fundamental principles of<br>>>>> freedom, privacy and the respect for human rights.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> 8. Functionality, security and stability<br>>>>> Network stability, security and overall functionality must be actively<br>>>>> preserved through the adoption of technical measures that are consistent<br>
>>>> with international standards and encourage the adoption of best practices.<br>>>>><br>>>>> 9. Standardization and interoperability<br>>>>> The Internet must be based on open standards that facilitate<br>
>>>> interoperability and enable all to participate in its development.<br>>>>><br>>>>> 10. Legal and regulatory environments<br>>>>> Legal and regulatory environments must preserve the dynamics of the<br>
>>>> Internet as a space for collaboration.<br>>>>><br>>>>> ====<br>>>>><br>>>>><br></div></div>>>>> <a href="mailto:glaser@nic.br">glaser@nic.br</a><<a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=glaser@nic.br" target="_blank">http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=glaser@nic.br</a>>wrote:<br>
<div class="im">>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> See the brazilian Internet Principles ....<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________<br>
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