<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Dear Oliver, Sivasubramanian and all,</font></font></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">I am gald to read this thread and criticism/suggestions here in the list. For some time now the Remote Participation Working Group has been urging for more involvement from this community and for other stakeholder groups to help putting in place remote participation.</font></font></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">So far, everybody seemed to be very comfortable that a bunch of crazy people volunteered and gave up their time to push remote participation forward. Not we are starting to recognize the obvious. This is a huge structure that cannot put in place properly without consistent community involvement and professional dedication.</font></font></span></p>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">We should always bear in mind, nevertheless, that we can look to remote participation from two different perspectives:</font></font></span></div>
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<p style="TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">1-</font><span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3">Of what has been accomplished. If you look back, you will remember that we departed from a single pre-moderated chat for RP, and now we have a multitude of channels (main platform during IGF meetings, Cover It Live, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube channels), with the comments and questions being displayed in the large screen in the meetings, for everybody to see. This is a considerable enhancement in terms of transparency, specially if you consider that we are in a UN environment.</font></span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 35.4pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">In 2008 people reported problems with webcast transmission during the IGF, which hampered proper participation. In 2009, the quality of the webcast has improved (according to all remote participants that provided us feedback). In 2010 we are talking about improving quality of interaction. This shows that we are not stuck, we are moving forward. There has been constant improvement from year to year and that should be acknowledged.</font></font></span></p>
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<p style="TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">2-</font><span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3">On what still needs to be accomplished (considering the scarce resources of the IGF, but considering also the potential of the IG community)</font></span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">- More multistakeholder involvement, especially from the technical community and the MAG</font></font></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">- Earlier planning, with the involvement of professionals, host, Secretariat and a group of interested people </font></font></span></p>
<div style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">- Trained remote moderators, </font></font></span><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">assigned at least one month before the event. </font></font></span></div>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">- Remote participation has to be taken into account by workshop organizers in the planning of the dynamics of their workshop. Wks organizers and moderators are responsible for bringing in the questions from remote participants, helping to improve the quality of interaction.</font></font></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">If anybody has suggestions on how to improve remote participation, please get in touch with the Remote Participation Working Group and the IGF Secretariat. Speaking for the group, we are more then happy to exchange ideas and receive suggestions from the experienced members of this community.</font></font></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">I am looking forward to continuing this discussion. This is the first step to make e-participation a policy theme in the IGF, as we suggested in our statement to the open consultations.</font></font></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Best wishes, </font></font></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang="EN-US"><font size="3"><font face="Times New Roman">Marília </font></font></span></p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Hello Ginger</font></font></font></div>
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<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Oliver and I had a chat on this topic and I have had some exchanges on twitter with Marilla. </font></font></font></div>
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<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Our concern is not to find a temporary solution to participate in the meeting today, it is a general concern, it is about the technical resources required for remote participation, by IGF standards</font></font></font></div>
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<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">IGF is *THE* Internet forum, a place where the who is who of Internet and all the technical expertise converges and the infrastructure available must be uncompromising. The present standards are a generation behind, there is no room for contention. </font></font></font></div>
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<div>It is all run by volunteers, yes, but this is not a comment about people, it is a comment about the resources to be committed, about the attention that needs to be paid. IGF needs to consult professionals months in advance to determine the bandwidth and infrastructure requirements, arrange to send experts to the locations days in advance to flawlessly set up the remote participation infrastructure. </div>
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<div>My suggestion here is that administratively the IGF Secretariat could call for advise from the technical community </div>
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<div class="im">Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br><a href="http://www.isocmadras.com/" target="_blank">http://www.isocmadras.com</a><br><br><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Bernard Sadaka <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sdkaaa@gmail.com" target="_blank">sdkaaa@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Olivier,<br>Please find bellow all the ways you could participate in the current IGF OC:<br>
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<li>Remote participation including coveritlive, twitter and video/audio: <a href="http://www.igfremote.info/RP/" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/RP/</a></li>
<li>Remote participation including coveritlive, twitter and audio only: <a href="http://www.igfremote.info/RP/audioonly.php" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/RP/audioonly.php</a></li>
<li>Remote participation from your mobile including coveritlive, twitter and no audio or video: <a href="http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/</a></li>
<li>Remote participation via Webex: <span><a href="http://bit.ly/bvJQSY" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/bvJQSY</a></span></li></ul>Let me know if i can help you in any other way...<br>All the best,
<div><br>Bernard<br clear="all">-- <br>Bernard SADAKA<br>Mobile: +961 3 172377<br>Email : <a href="mailto:sdkaaa@gmail.com" target="_blank">sdkaaa@gmail.com</a><br>------------------------------------------------------<br>
BsE in Computer and Communication Engineer<br>Lebanon <br><br><br><br></div>
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<div>On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Hello Bernard,<br><br>thank you, and thanks to all of the others (Patrik Fältström, for example), who have tried to have some kind of remote participation set-up. This is not meant as a criticism of anyone, just a provocative remark to get some people to open their eyes, rather than bathing each other in congratulatory, back-patting, empty speech.<br>
<br>The trouble is that I've never managed to get the video/audio feed to work.<br>For one, they don't work with Firefox.<br>And then it appears that there's not enough bandwidth somewhere along the line...<br>
I can get Webex, Skype, Marratech, Adobe Meeting, and Jabber to work perfectly, even with 2-way video, and yet, remote participation at this meeting = nil.<br><br>Whatever, remote participation, for me, currently rates at 0/10. ie. non existent.<br>
<br>Any remote participation system should be designed for 100s of remote participants, and should not fail when more than 10 people connect simultaneously...<br><br>My question: with the whole point of the IGF being multi-stakeholder public participation, why is this subject not being dealt with in a professional way?<br>
The current arrangement is very poor. Sorry, I mean: dreadful. It makes the whole IGF process a complete joke. <br>Perhaps Dr. Touré was right when he used the term "waste of time".<br><br>Olivier<br><br>Le 08/02/2010 22:00, Bernard Sadaka a écrit :
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<div dir="ltr">Thx Sivasubramanian,<br>You could also use <a href="http://www.igfremote.info/RP/" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/RP/</a> <br>or <a href="http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/</a> from a mobile phone (you won't have webcast though here :) )<br>
All the Best.<br>Bernard.<br clear="all">-- <br>Bernard SADAKA<br>Mobile: +961 3 172377<br>Email : <a href="mailto:sdkaaa@gmail.com" target="_blank">sdkaaa@gmail.com</a><br>------------------------------------------------------<br>
BsE in Computer and Communication Engineer<br>Lebanon <br><br><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" target="_blank">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<br><br>Live Blog: IGF February 2010 Open Consultations<br>Date: Tuesday February 9, 2010<br>Time: 09:30 CET<br><br>In order to view the event, simply click here. Or alternatively, copy-paste this link in your browser:<br>
<br><a href="http://www.igfremote.info/RP/?altcast_code=e02867f44e" target="_blank">http://www.igfremote.info/RP/?altcast_code=e02867f44e</a><br><br>No passwords necessary.<br><br>Questions to <a href="mailto:sharmstocktaking@intgovforum.org" target="_blank">sharmstocktaking@intgovforum.org</a><br>
<br clear="all"></font></font></font>Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br><a href="http://www.isocmadras.com/" target="_blank">http://www.isocmadras.com</a><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote><br><pre cols="72">
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