<font color="#996633" face="verdana, sans-serif">Hello Imran Ahmed Shah</font><div><font color="#996633" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Imran Ahmed Shah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:</div>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt">I said that country should keep monitoring mass traffic source.</span><span style="color:black;font-size:8pt"></span></p>
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<p style="line-height:normal;margin:0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt">I am afraid of the possible cyber war).</span></p></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You are afraid of the 'possible' cyber war, many others from Government or business are afraid of various types of Cyber attacks, the common man is worried about his safety and his children's safely online. There is some basis for all these concerns, but we are constantly subjected to propaganda that exaggerates these threats to make us far more afraid of these threats than we need to be.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But your idea of "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; border-collapse: collapse; ">monitoring mass traffic source" and policing the Internet would bring in untold harm.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>Experts discussed some of the dangers of disproportionate controls at a panel discussion at the IGF in Egypt:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:Tahoma, Verdana, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:rgb(48, 48, 48);line-height:21px">"<i>The anti terrorist legislations which we have seen over the last few years are under the presumption that you have to give away freedom in order to preserve security. We have given away quite a good part of our freedom but I am not sure of its effect on security. The hypothesis is that there is problem of proportionality between between the measures of restriction and the gains on security due to the measures</i>." -Prof Dr.Wolfgang Benedek, Director of the Institute of International Law and International Relations of the University of Graz, Austria and of the European Training and Research Centre for Human Rights and Democracy in Graz (ETC)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Tahoma, Verdana, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:rgb(48, 48, 48);line-height:21px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Tahoma, Verdana, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:rgb(48, 48, 48);line-height:21px">"<i>Security has become such a means to an end, security has become such an industry that it is almost self fulfilling</i>" - Prof. Simon Davies, Founder and Director, Privacy International and visiting Senior Fellow, London School of Economics</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Tahoma, Verdana, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:rgb(48, 48, 48);line-height:21px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Tahoma, Verdana, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:rgb(48, 48, 48);line-height:21px">" <i>We have entered an era where national security is the pass to do anything, in a way that it was when there was a war on drugs was ten years ago that you can use that phrase to justify anything...By giving away our privacy in some misguided attempts to make us secure against terrorism, we are actually reducing our security against governments, against multi national corporations, against those who are in powe</i>r". -Bruce Schneier, "Security Guru" and Internationally renowned security technologist and Writer.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Tahoma, Verdana, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:rgb(48, 48, 48);line-height:21px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Tahoma, Verdana, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:rgb(48, 48, 48);line-height:21px">"<i>In china measures ostensibly to protect children are used to control political content. Measures to fight terrorism are used to oppress minorities ... The danger of unintended consequences is that certain regimes use what is happening in the West as an enabling excuse to solidify their powers. So it is very difficult to have one size fits all type of legislation</i>. " - Rebecca Mackinnon, Cofounder, Global Networks Initiative </span></div>
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<span style="color:black;font-size:10pt">signing a treaty or memorandum of article will assure to the other countries that political or geographical governments will not involved in a mass cyber attack trough internet. This is in the benefit of the health of the internet.</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><div><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>
</div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tue, 2 February, 2010 15:02:54<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] How to Prevent Cyber War<br></font><div><div></div><div>
<br>Imran,<br><br>I agree with Olivier and Siva. This is an idea that is in driect<br>opposition to our notions of a Free and Open Internet.<br><br>On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Imran Ahmed Shah <<a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br><snip><br><br>> Today anyone can obtain any kind of domain name and can host it anywhere<br>> that may be accessible from any other corner of the world.<br><br>And that is how it should remain.<br><br>Similarly<br>
> Internet is accessible to every one.<br><br>Well, it should
be, but many billions do not have access. In some<br>countries, you can be denied access to the Internet as well.<br><br>China has decline the google claim that<br>> they are not involved in such kind of attack on Google. Well, but China has<br>
> to take care about the domain registrations with .cn ccTLD and all Data<br>> Centers of the country.<br><br>You don't need to own a domain name to launch a cyber attack.<br><br>><br>> China and Google is the first case but I would like to recommend to<br>
> Government Authorities, ICT Policy makers/implementers, and Stakeholders of<br>> each country to STOP issuance of new domain names (registrations) with their<br>> ccTLD name space and hosting-services from their data-centers to<br>
> non-citizens immediately.<br><br>I am an US citizen, living in Kenya. Why would you restrict my ability<br>(right) to launch a business or hobby website in the .ke namespace.<br><br>In Kenya,
hosting is relatively expensive, so people host in the USA.<br>Why make Africans spend more money than they need to to host a domain?<br><br>Second step is to re-evaluate the existing domain<br>> names & hosting and formulate a methodology to constantly monitoring and<br>
> record the internet traffic to and from existing ccTLD domain names (hosted<br>> inland). These actions will prevent misuse of ccTLD name space and protect<br>> the nations pulling into the cyber war.<br><br>No, they won't. See above. Neither a web host nor a domain name is<br>
needed to launch a cyber attack.<br><br>If they found any misuse or moderate<br>> traffic from a domain, immediately the information has to be passed to the<br>> UN communications and technology agency.<br><br>I'm all in favor of listing hosts who spew malware, but what could the<br>
ITU do about it? They have no powers of enforcement, nor should
they.<br><br><snip><br><br>-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>____________________________________________________________<br>
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