<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hola Shiva :)<div><br></div><div>I am busy this weekend but I will reply to you soon. :) In the meantime,</div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 17, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000" face="Helvetica"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></font></font></font></font></div><div>Katiza's objection to McTim's revised statement stems from a fear that an independent IGF wouldn't uphold human rights on the Internet. Is this a valid assumption?</div></font></font></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My point is a legal one. However, let me send my comments on Tuesday or Monday night. I have many deadlines that due on Monday. All the best, Katitza</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"> <div><br></div><div>The idea of an independent IGF is not restricted to the scenario of the mandate not being renewed. The IGC has to be emphatic in its position that the mandate has to be renewed and for the next phase of 5 of 10 years, we may consider a more independent IGF, with the independence conceded by the UN wholeheartedly. The idea is not an independent IGF that is distant from the UN, but rather an independent IGF that is respectful of its origins as a UN initiated forum.</div> <div><br></div><div>It is necessary to push for the continuation of IGF as a UN mandated forum, though not insisting on funding from the UN. The Civil Society may be confident of mobilizing the required funds or organizing the forum, but it may not work as a forum continued without the UN mandate. In traditional language, we need UN's blessings even to continue the IGF on our own.</div> <div><br></div><div>I still feel that the renewal of the mandate is an unnecessary doubt. What we need to be wary of is ITU's designs to expand its illegitimate role in policy making. ITU manages to stay close to Governments and is in a position to mislead Government participants to create the vacuum that it requires. We need to be very very watchful and careful.</div> <div><br></div><div><br></div><br clear="all"></font></font></font>Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br><a href="http://www.isocmadras.com">http://www.isocmadras.com</a><br>facebook: <a href="http://is.gd/x8Sh">http://is.gd/x8Sh</a><br> LinkedIn: <a href="http://is.gd/x8U6">http://is.gd/x8U6</a><br>Twitter: <a href="http://is.gd/x8Vz">http://is.gd/x8Vz</a><br><br><br> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Yehuda Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yehudakatz@mailinator.com">yehudakatz@mailinator.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <br> > We are working here towards upholding human rights on the Internet....<br> <br> Katitza / McTIm,<br> <br> First; "I belive" ... that there is quite a bit more diversity in this Group<br> (the IGC / this List) than those whom are Stakeholders in "human rights on the<br> Internet" issues.<br> Second, although I hold a small (or an associated) concern in regards to<br> Internet-Human-Rights via the development of Social Contracts [K],<br> I feel that this List has been 'steered' (almost hyjacked) into the<br> Internet-Human-Rights issue, as now it is the List's Mandate.<br> I resent that, this List used to be open to all concepts of Internet<br> governance, and stood to address a diversity of interest.<br> <br> Third; In the immediate Thread [IGC statement REVISION 2.x], I feel the issue<br> should 'make a Statement' in regards to the ITU and the possible/speculative<br> 'Pronouncements' it will make upon the "ITU pushed<br> WSIS Forum in May 2010 and the ITU Plenipotentiary Conference in October " as<br> Wolfgang* has in formed and accurately forewarned this List.<br> <br> The ITU *will* absorbe the space which the IGC creates, upon the event a power<br> vacume is manufactured by the ending of the IGF. The ITU will position itself<br> and make such a Declaration (Center of IG Governance) of Power.<br> <br> It needs to be addressed and countered, at this time (in this Statement).<br> <br> -<br> <br> * Wolfgang Kleinwächter<br> To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br> Subject: [governance] WG: Concern for the future of civil society re IGF<br> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:13:24 +0100<br> <br> [ <a href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/arc/governance/2010-01/msg00194.html" target="_blank">http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/arc/governance/2010-01/msg00194.html</a> ]<br> <br> ---____________________________________________________________<br> <div><div></div><div class="h5">You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br> To be removed from the list, send any message to:<br> <a href="mailto:governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org">governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org</a><br> <br> For all list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</a><br> <br> Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br> ____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, send any message to:<br> <a href="mailto:governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org">governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org</a><br><br>For all list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance">http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>