<font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Hello All,</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></font></div><div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif">If these three names are counted out, Civil Society has a total of 23 names which would make it 34% and if ITC is counted as Business, then it is 25, 23 and 22 members elected from Government, Civil Society and Business respectively, amounting to 35%, 33% and 31% which is balanced enough.</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color="#996633"><font size="2"><font face="verdana,sans-serif"><br></font></font></font></div><div>Are these three names counted as Civil Society by McTim or have they been elected as representatives of Civil Society? It would certainly be a matter of concern if they are seen by MAG as representatives of Civil Society as it would be an indication of civil society seats taken by Business. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I have a question: Are these broad classifications sufficient to group the universe of participants? How accurate are these classifications? Do all stakeholders fit into a total of three stakeholder classes? For instance how do we classify members from the Press or from the academia? Members from academia are part of civil society with the rationale that they are neither government or business. But this could be a distinct stakeholder group as a group that is possibly balanced within itself. Along this line of thinking, do we have to think of more than three stakeholder groups?</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Adam Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Adam Peake <<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:<br>
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On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Ian Peter <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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Mc Tim, you could also do a third sheet and put the various technical<br>
folk<br>
into PS, which is definitely where at least some of them belong. That<br>
would<br>
give another and different skew.<br>
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I can do that if you tell me which ones and why.<br>
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Sunday, Nii? Because they are businessmen...<br>
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Perhaps they are, I ONLY know them however in the context of CS<br>
activities (AfNOG mainly).<br>
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What are you saying, everyone attending afnog, nanog, ietf is civil society? that a person might be there to represent a company is irrelevant?<br>
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Anyway, they are clearly both business guys (and they are both active on the tech community, but I don't see how that makes them civil society.)<br>
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Charles Sha'ban, business. Waudo Siganga, business (he represents commercial organizations, African leadership of WITSA). Richard Sambrook, business, you're not suggesting the BBC is civil society?<br><font color="#888888">
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Adam</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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But it's a little meaningless to talk about specific names.<br>
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If we are going to say its slanted, then isn't it incumbent to say how<br>
its slanted? If we say how its slanted, then don't we have to know who<br>
is who?<br>
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I would rather not say anything about it at all if we aren't going to<br>
be precise. It just seems whingy in the current formulation.<br>
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--<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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