<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>I do not think that this was too hard or too much to ask? In earlier days we had "me too" posts. Writers and advocates cannot read minds -- especially 400. How do they know when they hit the mark or are offbase. One arguing contributor does not help us to read what many think.</DIV>
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<DIV>I do my best to contact my friends on the ground from Vladivostok to Tehran, from Cape Cod to Saigon, Falklands to Paris, Johanasberg to Montevideo,,, I read India Times and Al Jazeera, Washington Post (force myself to see some TV and listen to some radio) I study on-line and off -- But I cannot know what the many here think ---. I read Mueller and Williams, Faussett and Cerf, Babtista and Avri but they do not help me know what is thought in your neighborhood.</DIV>
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<DIV>Even private posts are helpful.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/14/10, Dina <I><dina_hov2007@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Dina <dina_hov2007@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] PLEASE RESPOND - draft statement on reform of the<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Presidencia Internauta" <presidencia@internauta.org.ar><BR>Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 10:59 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3>Dear Sergio,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=rtl style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align=right><SPAN class=longtext1><FONT size=4><SPAN class=longtext1><B><SPAN dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: white; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">.</SPAN></B></SPAN><SPAN class=longtext1><B><SPAN dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'"></SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal dir=rtl style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align=right><SPAN><FONT size=4><STRONG><SPAN dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'">But when I see somebody has got my opinion <SPAN> </SPAN>I see no use to repeat the same things . OK I agree with those who think </SPAN><FONT size=3>the term "reform" sends a message</FONT></STRONG></FONT><FONT size=3> that could be<BR><SPAN> </SPAN>misinterpreted and/or exploited by actors that strongly oppose the IGF</FONT></SPAN>
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<P class=MsoNormal dir=rtl style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align=right><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 1/14/10, Presidencia Internauta <I><presidencia@internauta.org.ar></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Presidencia Internauta <presidencia@internauta.org.ar><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] PLEASE RESPOND - draft statement on reform of the<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca@cafonso.ca><BR>Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:23 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>Estimados todos: Con respecto a lo sugerido por Souter, creo que es importante la representación de sociedad civil y no la de individuos aislados. Es necesario que la representación sea de un colectivo de opinión y voluntad común y no la del sujeto aislado. Lo que se discute acá es siempre en función del hombre como ser colectivo, como expresión de intereses comunes y no de intereses individuales, nuestra fortaleza radica ahí y no en nuestras individualidades. Me sumo a lo expresado por Baudouin con respecto a seguir lo que se discute en la lista; <SPAN> </SPAN>estoy al tanto de lo que se discute aunque poco he podido hacer en función de la brecha que impone el idioma, así y todo estoy todos los días intentando poner mi ingles lo mejor posible para poder intervenir más. </FONT></FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>Saludos cordiales</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><STRONG>Sergio Salinas Porto</STRONG></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN class=longtext1><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: white; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear all: On Souter's suggestion, I think it is important according the representation of civil society and not isolated individuals. </SPAN><SPAN title="Es necesario que la representación sea de un colectivo de opinión y voluntad común y no la del sujeto aislado, lo que discutimos acá es siempre en función del hombre como ser colectivo, como expresión de intereses comunes y no de intereses individuales, nuestra fortaleza radica ahí"><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is necessary that the representation is a collective opinion and common will and not the isolated individual, What we discuss here is always in terms of the man as a collective, as an expression of common interests rather than individual interests, our strength lies there </FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN title="y no en nuestras
individualidades."></SPAN><SPAN class=longtext1><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">and not in ours individualities. <SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="BACKGROUND: white"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN title="Me sumo a lo expresado por Baudouin con respecto a seguir lo que se discute en la lista; estoy al tanto de lo que se discute aunque poco he podido hacer en función de la brecha que impone el idioma, así y todo estoy todos los días intentando">I agree with what Baudouin expressed regarding what is discussed further in the list. I am aware of what is discussed in the list, but little I could do based on the gap imposed by the language; even so I am trying every day </SPAN><SPAN title="poner mi ingles lo mejor posible para poder intervenir más.">my English and I put my best to participate more. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: white; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><BR></SPAN><SPAN class=longtext1></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN title="Saludos cordiales">Best regards </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><STRONG>Sergio Salinas Porto</STRONG></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Carlos A. Afonso" <</FONT><A href="http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ca@cafonso.ca" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT face=Arial size=2>ca@cafonso.ca</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A href="http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT face=Arial size=2>governance@lists.cpsr.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:08 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [governance] PLEASE RESPOND - draft statement on reform of the</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> Thanks, Jeremy. I agree with the suggestions for modification from <BR>> Souter and others and wait for the updated statement.<BR>> <BR>> frt rgds<BR>> <BR>> --c.a.<BR>> <BR>> Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<BR>>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:34:55 +0100, Bertrand de La Chapelle<BR>>> <</FONT><A href="http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bdelachapelle@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow><FONT face=Arial size=2>bdelachapelle@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> wrote:<BR>>>> Hi Jeremy,<BR>>>><BR>>>> Just one (I hope constructive) comment on the interesting draft you<BR>>>> circulated. The title currently is : "Statement on the reform of the<BR>>> IGF".<BR>>>> I believe the use of the term "reform" sends a message that could be<BR>>>> misinterpreted and/or exploited by
actors that strongly oppose the IGF<BR>>> <BR>>> Thanks for this point. The title was more of a working title for our use,<BR>>> not specifically to be used when the document is submitted. Thus, the word<BR>>> "reform" is not used in the body text. Thus we can, I agree, submit it<BR>>> under a more neutral title such as "Submission of the IGC in taking stock<BR>>> of the Sharm el Sheikh meeting of the IGF".<BR>>> <BR>>>> A few minor suggested edits (*in blue* with suppressed words in red) are<BR>>>> also included in the text. They usually are pointers to coded words in<BR>>> the<BR>>>> UN language or the governmental discussions and it's important for you to<BR>>>> have them in mind.<BR>>> <BR>>> Thanks, and thanks also to those who have commented on the preamble and<BR>>> paragraph 1 so far. Please, anyone, feel free to move on to paragraphs 2,
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