I like "coalate" - halfway between "coalesce" and "collate". Which is what we do most of the time ...<br><br>Rui<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/1/1 Eric Dierker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net">cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</a>></span><br>
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<div>Clearly the questions tell us more than the answers ever will. Hence in a court of law they are disfavored as "leading" - (with exceptions for disabilities, experts and hostiles{funny they lump those 3 together})</div>
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<div>So for discussion and debate the questions are well framed. For collection of raw insightful(not inciteful) data they are skewed. So do we want a survey that reflects existing consensus or one that leads us into debate that will ultimately show a future overview?</div>
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<div>I suggest we shorten it. Make it more concise. Label each question # and ask for that for future discussion subject lines and compile as we go. Anticipate a late february date for a new survey to crystalize consensus with a new "just the fact of opinion" then circulate and poll. Good to remember that it should not be for us but for others to understand us.</div>
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<div>Perhaps the coolest thing of this would be that next time a "paper" position is asked for on a given area -- we do not rush to provide a paper but rather coalate our already existing data. I think Gingers' forsight in this regard is invaluable.<br>
<br>--- On <b>Thu, 12/31/09, Michael Gurstein <i><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
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<br>Subject: RE: [governance] Online survey on reform of the IGF<br>To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br></div>Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 5:10 AM<div><div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><span>To be "nerdy" about this...</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><span>I think that the q'aire is a well-intentioned idea but really quite misleading except as a possible means for sensitizing the non-informed concerning IGF issues and even there it has some serious flaws.</span></font></div>
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<div><span><font face="Arial">The problem with the q'aire is that it isn't clear what it's purpose is. The q'aire states that "th<span style="font-size: 10px;"><font size="3">is survey is intended to gauge the position of members of the </font><a href="http://igcaucus.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#000000" size="3">Internet Governance Caucus</font></a><font size="3"> regarding possible structural reforms for the </font><a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font color="#000000" size="3">Internet </font></a><font size="3">" however, virtually all of the questions are structured in a format so as to elicit the opinions of the responder as to what the current situation within the IGF I<u>S </u>rather than what it <u>OUGHT TO BE</u> in the opinion of the responder. </font></span></font></span></div>
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<div><span><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10px;"><font size="3">Unless one is doing a survey of the current level of knowledge of the responder the results really aren't of much value at all (and its hard to know why the level of knowledge concerning the IGF among the responders from the IGC would be of anything other than peripheral academic interest..). It wouldn't take that much to change the questions around so as to elicit opinions (which might be interesting) but otherwise... </font></span></font></span></div>
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<div><span><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10px;"><font size="3">Best, </font></span></font></span></div>
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<div><span><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10px;"><font size="3">Mike (whose basic training was as a sociologist...</font></span></font></span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font></div>
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<td valign="top">I can see all the points made, but I quite liked the survey. I hope that this advice is taken and the survey resubmitted to us masses.<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 12/28/09, Lee W McKnight <i><<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu" target="_blank">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"><br>From: Lee W McKnight <<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu" target="_blank">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>><br>Subject: RE: [governance] Online survey on reform of the IGF<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>, "Fouad Bajwa" <<a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>>, "Jeremy Malcolm" <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>>, "Ginger Paque" <<a href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpaque@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:16 PM<br><br>
<div>Jeremy,<br><br>Not to get all nerdy on you, but generally a survey like this would go through a ´pre-test´phase where little (or big) errors/ambiguities in the survey design, ie the precise wording of questions, is tested before you ask lots of people to complete it.<br>
<br>My suggestion: compile and tweak the survey in response to the early feedback, then post again.<br><br>Lee <br><br>________________________________________<br>From: Fouad Bajwa [<a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fouadbajwa@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 5:46 PM<br>To: <a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Jeremy Malcolm; Ginger Paque<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Online survey on reform of the IGF<br><br>Hi Jeremy,<br><br>Welcome to office :o) Good effort with the
survey but I just had a run<br>through of the survey and I had a few thoughts or concerns as you may<br>say to share.:<br><br>1. My initial suggestion is that the answers should not be restricted<br>to a drop down list, there should be a text box to allow the surveyed<br>
to fill in their thoughts and reflections instead of being bound to a<br>specific set of answers, freedom to express thoughts shouldn't be<br>restricted to pre-defined answers.<br><br>2. Next, there are absolute un-referenced statements following a ?<br>
sign at the bottom of the answers for each question. I can't seem to<br>find direct sources of these statements and their authenticity in<br>general apart from the IGF structure. Is it possible to clarify these<br>with the reference so when members answer these, they can also read<br>
the background of this statement?<br><br>3. Finally, some statements need to be reviewed again. The issue of<br>MAG is one of the major issues but a whole
statement isn't<br>representative of all the issues that IGC needs to raise with mutual<br>consensus to the IGF secretariat.<br><br>Also regarding the MAG selection process, my understanding and the<br>process that I witnessed was that the Secretariat issues a call for<br>
renewal of the MAG in accordance with the IGF mandate to all three<br>member bodies of the multistakeholders. The multistakeholder groups<br>than run a nomination process through their own determined procedures<br>after which the names are forwarded to the secretariat that then<br>
forwards those names to the UN headquarters for the Secretary General<br>to select, is this understanding correct, if yes, then the questions<br>have to be reviewed again, if not, then the process has to be<br>clarified and the IGC website has the outcome of the process clearly<br>
detailed with the names of the nominated.<br><br>Also the MAG from my perspective should represent its
nominating<br>multistakeholder group and deliberate and intervene with the interests<br>of that multistakeholder group. For example, the understanding that I<br>practice as MAG member nominated and selected from IGC is that I am a<br>
representative of the IGC and I have to voice the concern and<br>intervene on issues of importance to the IGC. In this regard, the<br>employer or the organization behind you should be secondary and IGC<br>should be first. Thus IGC/Civil Society MAG members intervene with IGC<br>
interests. If you agree to this, then the questions again need more<br>improvement.<br><br>These are just initial thoughts and I also suggest that we should<br>first float the idea to the IGC list and with consensus build a survey<br>
to reflect our thoughts for devising statements. In the last few<br>weeks we had several threads on the issue of IGF improvement and IGC<br>statements and those should be brought forward as they had a
detailed<br>amount of input from IGC members and my initial understanding was that<br>we would devise the IGC statement based on those discussions to which<br>you had also extensively contributed. Please take those into account<br>
as a priority since we have spent considerable thought and time into<br>them.<br><br>I hope these suggestions are helpful.<br><br>Best Regards and Season's Greetings<br><br>Fouad<br><br>On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jeremy@ciroap.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hello all, and Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it!<br>><br>> As foreshadowed by Ginger, I have created an online version of the survey<br>> that I posted to the list some time ago about reforms to the IGF that we<br>
> might choose to put forward as a caucus.<br>> You can find the online version<br>> at <a href="http://igf-online.net/limesurvey/index.php?sid=17855" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://igf-online.net/limesurvey/index.php?sid=17855</a> (I aimed to put it<br>
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> you no longer need to list "ideal" and "pragmatic" responses. Be as<br>> pragmatic as you wish to be. Even so, for some questions, there may be more<br>> than one answer you would be satisfied with - in that case just choose the<br>
> best answer. If no answers are satisfactory, choose "Other" and write in<br>> your response.<br>> Please complete your response by 10 January 2010. Following that, I will<br>> work with Ginger to produce a draft statement based on any consensus that<br>
> emerges from the survey. I will post this to
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