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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=171325504-31122009>To be "nerdy" about
this...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=171325504-31122009>I think that the q'aire is
a well-intentioned idea but really quite misleading except as a possible means
for sensitizing the non-informed concerning IGF issues and even there it has
some serious flaws.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=171325504-31122009><FONT face=Arial>The problem with the q'aire
is that it isn't clear what it's purpose is. The q'aire states that "th<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><FONT size=3>is survey is intended to gauge the
position of members of the </FONT><A href="http://igcaucus.org/"><FONT
color=#000000 size=3>Internet Governance Caucus</FONT></A><FONT size=3>
regarding possible structural reforms for the </FONT><A
href="http://www.intgovforum.org/"><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Internet
</FONT></A><FONT size=3>" however, virtually all of the questions are structured
in a format so as to elicit the opinions of the responder as to what the current
situation within the IGF I<U>S </U>rather than what it <U>OUGHT TO BE</U> in the
opinion of the responder. </FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><FONT size=3></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=171325504-31122009><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><FONT size=3>Unless one is doing a survey of the current
level of knowledge of the responder the results really aren't of much value at
all (and its hard to know why the level of knowledge concerning the IGF among
the responders from the IGC would be of anything other than peripheral academic
interest..). It wouldn't take that much to change the questions around so as to
elicit opinions (which might be interesting) but otherwise...
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><FONT size=3></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=171325504-31122009><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><FONT size=3>Best, </FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><FONT size=3></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=171325504-31122009><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10px"><FONT size=3>Mike (whose basic training was as a
sociologist...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial><SPAN class=171325504-31122009></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<B>From:</B> Eric Dierker
[mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 29,
2009 9:54 PM<BR><B>To:</B> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Lee W McKnight; Fouad
Bajwa; Jeremy Malcolm; Ginger Paque<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [governance] Online
survey on reform of the IGF<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top>I can see all the points made, but I quite liked the
survey. I hope that this advice is taken and the survey resubmitted to
us masses.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 12/28/09, Lee W McKnight
<I><lmcknigh@syr.edu></I></B> wrote:<BR>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:
Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh@syr.edu><BR>Subject: RE: [governance]
Online survey on reform of the IGF<BR>To: "governance@lists.cpsr.org"
<governance@lists.cpsr.org>, "Fouad Bajwa"
<fouadbajwa@gmail.com>, "Jeremy Malcolm"
<jeremy@ciroap.org>, "Ginger Paque"
<gpaque@gmail.com><BR>Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 1:16
PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Jeremy,<BR><BR>Not to get all nerdy on you, but
generally a survey like this would go through a ´pre-test´phase where
little (or big) errors/ambiguities in the survey design, ie the
precise wording of questions, is tested before you ask lots of
people to complete it.<BR><BR>My suggestion: compile and tweak the
survey in response to the early feedback, then post again.<BR><BR>Lee
<BR><BR>________________________________________<BR>From: Fouad Bajwa
[<A
href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fouadbajwa@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</A>]<BR>Sent:
Thursday, December 24, 2009 5:46 PM<BR>To: <A
href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org"
ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A>;
Jeremy Malcolm; Ginger Paque<BR>Subject: Re: [governance] Online
survey on reform of the IGF<BR><BR>Hi Jeremy,<BR><BR>Welcome to office
:o) Good effort with the survey but I just had a run<BR>through of the
survey and I had a few thoughts or concerns as you may<BR>say to
share.:<BR><BR>1. My initial suggestion is that the answers should not
be restricted<BR>to a drop down list, there should be a text box to
allow the surveyed<BR>to fill in their thoughts and reflections
instead of being bound to a<BR>specific set of answers, freedom to
express thoughts shouldn't be<BR>restricted to pre-defined
answers.<BR><BR>2. Next, there are absolute un-referenced statements
following a ?<BR>sign at the bottom of the answers for each question.
I can't seem to<BR>find direct sources of these statements and their
authenticity in<BR>general apart from the IGF structure. Is it
possible to clarify these<BR>with the reference so when members answer
these, they can also read<BR>the background of this
statement?<BR><BR>3. Finally, some statements need to be reviewed
again. The issue of<BR>MAG is one of the major issues but a whole
statement isn't<BR>representative of all the issues that IGC needs to
raise with mutual<BR>consensus to the IGF secretariat.<BR><BR>Also
regarding the MAG selection process, my understanding and
the<BR>process that I witnessed was that the Secretariat issues a call
for<BR>renewal of the MAG in accordance with the IGF mandate to all
three<BR>member bodies of the multistakeholders. The multistakeholder
groups<BR>than run a nomination process through their own determined
procedures<BR>after which the names are forwarded to the secretariat
that then<BR>forwards those names to the UN headquarters for the
Secretary General<BR>to select, is this understanding correct, if yes,
then the questions<BR>have to be reviewed again, if not, then the
process has to be<BR>clarified and the IGC website has the outcome of
the process clearly<BR>detailed with the names of the
nominated.<BR><BR>Also the MAG from my perspective should represent
its nominating<BR>multistakeholder group and deliberate and intervene
with the interests<BR>of that multistakeholder group. For example, the
understanding that I<BR>practice as MAG member nominated and selected
from IGC is that I am a<BR>representative of the IGC and I have to
voice the concern and<BR>intervene on issues of importance to the IGC.
In this regard, the<BR>employer or the organization behind you should
be secondary and IGC<BR>should be first. Thus IGC/Civil Society MAG
members intervene with IGC<BR>interests. If you agree to this, then
the questions again need more<BR>improvement.<BR><BR>These are just
initial thoughts and I also suggest that we should<BR>first float the
idea to the IGC list and with consensus build a survey<BR>to reflect
our thoughts for devising statements. In the last few<BR>weeks
we had several threads on the issue of IGF improvement and
IGC<BR>statements and those should be brought forward as they had a
detailed<BR>amount of input from IGC members and my initial
understanding was that<BR>we would devise the IGC statement based on
those discussions to which<BR>you had also extensively contributed.
Please take those into account<BR>as a priority since we have spent
considerable thought and time into<BR>them.<BR><BR>I hope these
suggestions are helpful.<BR><BR>Best Regards and Season's
Greetings<BR><BR>Fouad<BR><BR>On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Jeremy
Malcolm <<A
href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jeremy@ciroap.org"
ymailto="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">jeremy@ciroap.org</A>>
wrote:<BR>> Hello all, and Merry Christmas to those who celebrate
it!<BR>><BR>> As foreshadowed by Ginger, I have created an
online version of the survey<BR>> that I posted to the list some
time ago about reforms to the IGF that we<BR>> might choose to put
forward as a caucus.<BR>> You can find the online version<BR>>
at <A href="http://igf-online.net/limesurvey/index.php?sid=17855"
target=_blank>http://igf-online.net/limesurvey/index.php?sid=17855</A>
(I aimed to put it<BR>> up at igcaucus.org, but technical
constraints prohibited it). Participation<BR>> is voluntary
and anonymous.<BR>> I have simplified it from the original version
that I sent by email in that<BR>> you no longer need to list
"ideal" and "pragmatic" responses. Be as<BR>> pragmatic as
you wish to be. Even so, for some questions, there may be
more<BR>> than one answer you would be satisfied with - in that
case just choose the<BR>> best answer. If no answers are
satisfactory, choose "Other" and write in<BR>> your
response.<BR>> Please complete your response by 10 January
2010. Following that, I will<BR>> work with Ginger to produce
a draft statement based on any consensus that<BR>> emerges from the
survey. I will post this to the list, and after a<BR>>
discussion period we will aim for a consensus call on it.<BR>> Many
thanks in anticipation of your responses!<BR>><BR>>
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