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<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Things
have gone a wee bit awry here I think, with crosspostings without enough
background...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>To
clarify a bit--a second e-list (tt-group... sorry can't remember right now why
that particular name) was established almost 18 months ago from within those
formally involved in the governance structure of the Global Alliance for ICT for
Development (UN-GAID) <FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#000000><EM><A
href="http://www.un-gaid.org/"><FONT
size=3>www.un-<B>gaid</B>.org/</FONT></A></EM><FONT size=3>
</FONT></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>who were critical of the way
in which the GAID was operating and to suggest alternatives. (There is
a substantial cross-membership between the governance list and the tt-group
list).</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>The
tt-group list produced a letter which was formally transmitted to the leaders
and sponsors of the GAID to little visible effect. Recently, the
tt-group elist was brought out of hibernation and is currently discussing
if or how to react to retirement of the current ED of the GAID (Sarbuland
Khan) and what appears to be a move to "mainstream" (i.e. in UN speak merge and
then "disappear") the GAID as an independent UN structure.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>I
think it is fair to say that the folks on the TT-group list (who are linked by
all having a serious interest in post-WSIS ICT4D policy at the global and
bi-lateral institutional level) do NOT see a convergence between the
current issues of the IGF and ICT4D activities or policies.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>So it
is likely to be rather more efficient and effective if the discussions
on the two lists are kept relatively separate.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>However, it is likely a further consensus that the discussions (and
participants) on the TT-group list should expand much beyond a focus on the GAID
so anyone on the "governance" list who has an interest in the tt-group's
discussion could subscribe by sending an email </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>to: <A
href="mailto:sympa@vancouvercommunity.net">sympa@vancouvercommunity.net</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>message: subscribe tt-group</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>(or
sending me an email and I'll sub you directly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Best
to all,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=474200015-28122009><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial>M</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jean-Louis FULLSACK
[mailto:jlfullsack@orange.fr] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 28, 2009 1:00
AM<BR><B>To:</B> governance@lists.cpsr.org; Vanda UOL; '"Kleinwächter
Wolfgang"'; 'Tim Unwin'; 'George Sadowsky'; 'Michael Gurstein';
tt-group@vancouvercommunity.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [governance] AW:
[tt-group] FW: GAID<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR>Just a gag : why not consider the
"G12" proposed by Mrs Reding in May ?<BR><BR>You don't rermember that ? Here
it is summarized :<BR><BR>Create a "G12 for in Internet governance" which
should be convened three times a year <BR>Composition :<BR>The president of
ICANN<BR>2 represntatives of Europe<BR>2 represntatives of Africa<BR>2
representatives of North America<BR>2 representatives of South America<BR>3
representatives of Asia and Pacific region<BR>This "G12" should debat on
general orientations for the Internet and should -when necessary (sic)-
formulate recommendations agreed on by the majority of its members to the
attention of ICANN. <BR>End of the proposal.<BR><BR>Isn't it a marvelous team
? Mrs Reding was unfortunately replaced as the ICT-IS Commissioner in Barroso
2 Commission. What a pity ! Will her successor, Mrs Kroes, be as prolofic for
such folkloric suggestions ? <BR>BTW : Multistaholderism is likely to be
ignored by the EC ...<BR><BR>Best<BR>Jean-Louis Fullsack<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Message du 27/12/09 14:48<BR>> De : "Vanda UOL" <BR>> A :
governance@lists.cpsr.org, "'"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"'" , "'Tim Unwin'" ,
"'George Sadowsky'" , "'Michael Gurstein'" ,
tt-group@vancouvercommunity.net<BR>> Copie à : <BR>> Objet : RE:
[governance] AW: [tt-group] FW: GAID<BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Hi Wolfgang,</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> Hope too much snow haven't compromise your
Christmas time! Around here very hot! And no real results from Denmark
meeting! </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> I do believe we need to work to
"multistakeholderised" the WISIS forum. For me this is high priority!. Mag
could take a lead to organize this, I agree. 2010 we might have an
appropriate "half time" document to mark the effort already done and the
goals to achieve till 2015.</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>Great 2010 for all of you!</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> Best</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
[mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] <BR>> Sent:
Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:54 AM<BR>> To: Tim Unwin; George Sadowsky;
Michael Gurstein; tt-group@vancouvercommunity.net<BR>> Cc:
governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR>> Subject: [governance] AW: [tt-group] FW:
GAID</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Dear list</P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>one opportunity to have a more strategic brainstorming
around a reasonable Follow up of GAID could be the IGF consultations in
February in Geneva. I propose to have on Wednesday, February, 10, 2010, over
lunch (1315 - 1500) a meeting of people present in Geneva. We had a similar
meeting last year (in the ITU Montbrillant Building) where we identified an
"identity crisis of GAID" with no consequences after the meeting. The
meeting was chaired by Bill and Sarbulan was online from NY. </P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Any proposal? </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText> </P>
<P class=MsoPlainText>BTW I could imagine to move the "WSIS Forum", which is
emerging from the annual meetings of the Actions Lines, into something which
could absorb previous UNICTTF/GAID activities. My impression is that so far
the "WSIS Forum" is mainly in the hand of the ITU and other IGOs, having the
lead position in the Action Lines. The WSIS Forum could be further
"multistakeholderised" and the responsibility to organoze the meeting -
convened by the UN/ITU/UNESCO/FAO/ILO - could go to a MAG like group. Do not
forget that 2010 makrs half way towards 2015m the dateline for the Geneva
and Tunis Commitments.</P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText>Wolfgang </P>
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