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<P>Shahzad and all,</P>
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<P> I, Eric, and others have been leading the charge against censorship within ICANN for quite</P>
<P>a few years now with only a modicrum of success. So I salute you Shahzad for you efforts</P>
<P>as well! Keep up the great work and stay diligent and resolute! >:)<BR><BR><BR></P>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Eric and colleagues,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Following links host the video evidence of what happened there.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-kxYt2LwKc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-kxYt2LwKc</A></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://www.youtube.com/user/fikratube#p/a/u/0/axMpYddEomc">http://www.youtube.com/user/fikratube#p/a/u/0/axMpYddEomc</A></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You may also like to take a look at this:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9y3mua">http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9y3mua</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Will get the jpeg of poster and post it here though I don't know if list allows the attachments.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best wishes and regards</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Shahzad</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.cpsr.org href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> ; <A title=hempalshrestha@gmail.com href="mailto:hempalshrestha@gmail.com">Hempal Shrestha</A> ; <A title=shahzad@bytesforall.net href="mailto:shahzad@bytesforall.net">Shahzad Ahmad</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=gpaque@gmail.com href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com">Ginger Paque</A> ; <A title=jeremy@ciroap.org href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">Jeremy Malcolm</A> ; <A title=dogwallah@gmail.com href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">McTim</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:35 PM</DIV>
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<DIV>Perhaps before you jump on such a bandwagon you should get the recording of the event. You should get more than one person (witnesses) account. Security anywhere is not prone to throw things on the floor. Why is no copy of the poster posted?</DIV>
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<DIV>It is not that I am skeptical of being used by Harvard and Oxford publicists in order to get the word out or publish a paper or sell a book. Keep in mind the ONI group is not representative of the persons supposedly being wrongfully censored/filtered. In fact I see no Tibetan or Chinese component to this Academic gathering of western intelligencia. Advocacy is touted on the website but I see no constituent that they are advocating for.</DIV>
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<DIV>In fact I believe there is a UN policy against advertising for the sale of a commodity, service or goods at the events. A poster promoting a book would be in violation of a very good rule.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 11/15/09, Hempal Shrestha <I><hempalshrestha@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Hempal Shrestha <hempalshrestha@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] What IGF is for? ONI Asia event rattled by UN<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Shahzad Ahmad" <shahzad@bytesforall.net><BR>Cc: "Ginger Paque" <gpaque@gmail.com>, "Jeremy Malcolm" <jeremy@ciroap.org>, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com><BR>Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 4:21 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Dear Shahzad and friends in ONI, <BR><BR>It indeed is an act of great concern on the commitment of the freedom of expression. We stand united against this incident. Further, this should not create an opportunity for others to hurt the good work that is happening at IGF. So, +1 for the idea of registering the concern about the incident with concerned stakeholders/authority. <BR><BR>In Solidarity.<BR><BR>Hempal Shrestha<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Shahzad Ahmad <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=shahzad@bytesforall.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:shahzad@bytesforall.net">shahzad@bytesforall.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did discuss this with quite a few friends here and most of them agree for a joint action. How and what I don't know but probably civil society representatives speaking on the plenary can mention this appalling event and register the concern. Just a suggestion and then I will really suggest MAG members to take this up with IGF.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But I would really urged on the caucus members attending IGF to take this up strongly otherwise, such things will keep happening more and more in future too. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best wishes</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Shahzad</FONT></DIV><FONT color=#888888></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.cpsr.org href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> ; <A title=jeremy@ciroap.org href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jeremy@ciroap.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">Jeremy Malcolm</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=dogwallah@gmail.com href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dogwallah@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">McTim</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:58 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=Arial>I do not think a boycott is the answer. It removes the people who most object to the action... I think an effort should be made to bring this up as an issue. Can the IGC coordinate on this?</FONT><BR><BR>Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Shahzad, <BR><BR>Truly outrageous, your group should really complain to Markus and get <BR>your books back immediately, with an apology. <BR><BR>I think this shows how misguided it is to have gov'ts play an <BR>increasingly large role in IG. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>+1 <BR><BR>Am I overreacting, or should those who do not have workshop commitments organise a boycott of the IGF tomorrow, and let the Secretariat know why? <BR><BR>In any case, I hope as many people will tweet and blog about this appalling action. <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV>
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