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<P>Eric and all,</P>
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<P> I agree on this point as well. Perhaps querying them on considerations you may have</P>
<P>in this regard publicly would aid in helping them to be far more transparent. <BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Hugh Dierker <HDIERKER2204@YAHOO.COM><BR>Sent: Nov 7, 2009 12:34 AM <BR>To: "governance@lists.cpsr.orgGovernance IGC" <GOVERNANCE@LISTS.CPSR.ORG>, Katitza Rodriguez <KATITZA@DATOS-PERSONALES.ORG>, "Jeffrey A. Williams" <JWKCKID1@IX.NETCOM.COM><BR>Cc: irp <IRP@LISTS.INTERNETRIGHTSANDPRINCIPLES.ORG>, icann-board@icann.org, jeffrey@icann.org, ssene@ntia.doc.gov, rod_beckstrom@icann.org, ga@gnso.icann.org <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [governance] Civil Society Groups and Privacy Expertes Release Madrid Declaration <BR><BR>
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<TD vAlign=top>I would really like these groups that demand open and transparent deliberations to be a bit more open and transparent about themselves.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 11/6/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <I><jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com><BR>Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [governance] Civil Society Groups and Privacy <SPAN>Expertes</SPAN> Release Madrid Declaration<BR>To: "Hugh Dierker" <hdierker2204@yahoo.com>, "governance@lists.cpsr.orgGovernance IGC" <governance@lists.cpsr.org>, "Katitza Rodriguez" <katitza@datos-personales.org><BR>Cc: "irp" <Irp@lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>, icann-board@icann.org, jeffrey@icann.org, ssene@ntia.doc.gov, rod_beckstrom@icann.org, ga@gnso.icann.org<BR>Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 1:53 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Eric and all,</DIV>
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<DIV> Good point all, and I agree. I also have a wonderment as to whom or what entities are funding</DIV>
<DIV>such academic adventures, as you so aptly put it. What's interesting is to see on C-Span</DIV>
<DIV>just yesterday on the renewal of the Patriot act especially language under artical 215 which</DIV>
<DIV>was amended in markup via amendment to water down government intrusion, yet also to see</DIV>
<DIV>that with ACTA, more specific provisions that were leaked by Michael Giest seemingly to</DIV>
<DIV>have the opposite intent and effect.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Hugh Dierker <BR>Sent: Nov 6, 2009 12:34 AM <BR>To: "governance@lists.cpsr.orgGovernance IGC" , Katitza Rodriguez , "Jeffrey A. Williams" <BR>Cc: irp , icann-board@icann.org, jeffrey@icann.org, ssene@ntia.doc.gov, rod_beckstrom@icann.org, ga@gnso.icann.org <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [governance] Civil Society Groups and Privacy Expertes Release Madrid Declaration <BR><BR>
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<DIV>Jeff,</DIV>
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<DIV>In reading this through it looked a little like some pandering was going on. I really did not see any victim statement or passion in the argument against increased making public that which should be private. Seems like this should be coming from practical losers in the violations of privacy. This looks more like a philosopher ruler hypothetical decree of morality. So I am wondering who funds such academic adventures.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 11/5/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <I><jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com><BR>Subject: [ga] Re: [governance] Civil Society Groups and Privacy Expertes Release Madrid Declaration<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Katitza Rodriguez" <katitza@datos-personales.org>, "governance@lists.cpsr.org"Governance IGC"" <governance@lists.cpsr.org><BR>Cc: "irp" <Irp@lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>, icann-board@icann.org, jeffrey@icann.org, ssene@ntia.doc.gov, rod_beckstrom@icann.org, ga@gnso.icann.org<BR>Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 11:39 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Katitza and all,</DIV>
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<DIV> This IMO is good stuff. What worries many or our INEGroup members is that still most</DIV>
<DIV>of ICANN's registrars are not on board here and seem determined to remain largely</DIV>
<DIV>disinterested in Registrants as well as non-registrant users privacy what so ever.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Katitza Rodriguez <BR>Sent: Nov 4, 2009 5:18 PM <BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org <BR>Cc: irp <BR>Subject: [governance] Civil Society Groups and Privacy Expertes Release Madrid Declaration <BR><BR>
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<DIV style="MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 24px">Civil Society Groups and Privacy Experts Release Madrid Declaration, Reaffirm International Privacy Laws, Identify New Challenges and Call for Concrete Action to Safeguard Privacy</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=asset-meta><SPAN class=byline>By <A href="http://csisac.org/structure.php" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Liason</A> on November 3, 2009 12:49 PM </SPAN><SPAN class=separator>|</SPAN> <A class=permalink href="http://thepublicvoice.org/2009/11/civil-society-groups-and-privacy-expertes-release-madrid-declaration-reaffirm-international-privacy.php" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Permalink</A> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>In a crisply worded declaration, over 100 civil society organizations and privacy experts from more than 40 countries have set out an expansive statement on the future of privacy. The Madrid Declaration affirms that privacy is a fundamental human right and reminds "all countries of their obligations to safeguard the civil rights of their citizens and residents." <A href="http://thepublicvoice.org/madrid-declaration/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>The Madrid Declaration</A> warns that "privacy law and privacy institutions have failed to take full account of new surveillance practices." The Declaration urges countries "that have not yet established a comprehensive framework for privacy protection and an independent data protection authority to do so as expeditiously as possible." The civil society groups and experts recommend a "moratorium on the development or implementation of new systems of mass surveillance." Finally, the Declaration calls for the "establishment of a new international framework for privacy protection, with the full participation of civil society, that is based on the rule of law, respect for fundamental human rights, and support for democratic institutions." The Madrid Declaration was released at the Public Voice conference in Madrid <A href="http://thepublicvoice.org/events/madrid09/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>on Global Privacy Standards</A>. <A href="http://thepublicvoice.org/events/madrid09/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Multiple translations</A> of the Declaration are available.</DIV>
<DIV>Please send your signature at privacy @ datos-personales.org </DIV>
<DIV>If you want to help with some translations, pls. send an email to privacy @ datos-personales.org </DIV>
<DIV>We are recruiting signatures until January 28, International Privacy Day.</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 294k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated 1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com<BR>Phone: 214-244-4827<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 294k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated 1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com<BR>Phone: 214-244-4827</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>
<DIV>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 294k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated 1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com<BR>Phone: 214-244-4827</DIV></ZZZBODY></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>