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<P>Tracy and all,</P>
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<P> I and our INEGroup members also welcome this conclusion from ICANN although it has been far</P>
<P>too long in coming and China had already beat ICANN to the punch which is curiously not included</P>
<P>in any of the ICANN links to which you provided. So ICANN has finnaly bellied up to the bar,</P>
<P>as it were. None the less at least they are moving ( however far behind the curve ) in a positive</P>
<P>direction in respect to IDN's. </P>
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<P> We shall see soon how well ICANN much self vaunted SSAC will be able to handle the likely oncoming</P>
<P>security implications of these soon to exist IDN's. We shall asl see how well in my country how well</P>
<P>DHS will be handeling and/or dealing with same. <BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: "Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google" <TRACYHACKSHAW@GMAIL.COM><BR>Sent: Nov 2, 2009 12:13 PM <BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, David Goldstein <GOLDSTEIN_DAVID@YAHOO.COM.AU><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] Re: IDN's Internationalized Domain Names - A New Era <BR><BR>It's passing strange that the community of potential IDN users - at least those who were in Seoul last week (where I was) - including many of those people mentioned here - seemed to have genuinely and unanimously welcomed this in spite of the negatives which have appeared in this thread.
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<DIV>BTW, for those who are interested, the public testing of IDNs facilitated by the dreaded ICANN has been and continues to be available at <A href="http://idn.icann.org/IDNwiki" target=_blank>http://idn.icann.org/IDNwiki</A></DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://idn.icann.org/IDNwiki" target=_blank></A>Within that article are links to the historical aspects of the IDN process. The historical timeline behind the approval of the IDN Fast Track (implementation) process (which is what the Board approved, as opposed to the fundamental issue of IDNs per se is available thru the following presentation by Baher Esmat of ICANN at <A href="http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/idns-internet-week-tunis-aug08.pdf" target=_blank>http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/idns-internet-week-tunis-aug08.pdf</A>`and via the presentation of James Seng at APNIC 2009 in Beijing at <A href="http://meetings.apnic.net/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/14009/seng-idn-overview.pdf" target=_blank>http://meetings.apnic.net/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/14009/seng-idn-overview.pdf</A></DIV>
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<DIV>See also <A href="http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/idncwg.htm" target=_blank>http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/idncwg.htm</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>For those who are interested in the next major upcoming change why not take a look now at the historical process behind the new gTLDs at <A href="http://www.icann.com/en/topics/new-gtlds/history-en.htm" target=_blank>http://www.icann.com/en/topics/new-gtlds/history-en.htm</A></DIV>
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<DIV>Best wishes.</DIV>
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<DIV>Tracy</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:01 PM, David Goldstein <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au" target=_blank>goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">So by your reckoning Stephane, the last 6 years were wasted and the testing by ICANN was irrelevant?<BR>
<DIV class=im><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <<A href="mailto:bortzmeyer@internatif.org" target=_blank>bortzmeyer@internatif.org</A>><BR>To: David Goldstein <<A href="mailto:goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au" target=_blank>goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au</A>><BR>Cc: <A href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank>governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>Sent: Mon, 2 November, 2009 4:45:00 AM<BR>Subject: Re: IDN's Internationalized Domain Names - A New Era<BR><BR>On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 09:05:42PM -0700,<BR>David Goldstein <<A href="mailto:goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au" target=_blank>goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au</A>> wrote<BR>a message of 112 lines which said:<BR><BR>> Giving people whose language is not Latin-based the ability to use<BR>> domain names is very significant.<BR><BR>So what? Nobody said the opposite. The point is that it is old news,<BR>it is now six years since the introduction of IDN. ICANN's<BR>announcement means very little.<BR><BR>> I guess many of those whose languages are Latin-based can't think<BR>> outside the square and appreciate this.<BR><BR>Again, what is the relationship with what I wrote?<BR><BR>> Whether you like ICANN or not, there was a lot of work done to<BR>> ensure IDNs were safe and secure to use.<BR><BR>There was a lot of work for IDN. IETF people for the standardization,<BR>software authors for the libraries, registry employees for the<BR>introduction of IDN in their registry, such as .JP or .CN (both were<BR>among the first). ICANN did nothing significant except spreading FUD<BR>about mysterious "dangers" and holding expensive meetings.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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