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<P>Eric, Paul, and all,</P>
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<P> FWIW, I believe that the answer to your question to Paul is yes. But</P>
<P>maybe Paul will correct me on that. ??? If not, than I cannot say </P>
<P>what Paul's meaning was. </P>
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<P> Indeed a much more plural oversight and corresponding effect that is</P>
<P>efficient and effective in a timely way by the user/stakeholder community</P>
<P>is obviously necessary. Delegating such as is the case now clearly</P>
<P>isn't working well for anyone except the delegated authority, and even</P>
<P>at that some consternation is signifigantly evident.<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Eric Dierker <COGITOERGOSUM@SBCGLOBAL.NET><BR>Sent: Oct 11, 2009 11:58 AM <BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Cosmin L. Neagu" <COSMIN.NEAGU@GMAIL.COM>, Paul Lehto <LEHTO.PAUL@GMAIL.COM><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] ICANN/USG Affirmation; ICANN's Breathtaking Audacity <BR><BR>
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<TD vAlign=top>Are you saying that the only way forward with any security, stability and accountability is with mass education?<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 10/11/09, Cosmin L. Neagu <I><cosmin.neagu@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Cosmin L. Neagu <cosmin.neagu@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] ICANN/USG Affirmation; ICANN's Breathtaking Audacity<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Paul Lehto" <lehto.paul@gmail.com><BR>Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 4:43 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Hi everybody,<BR><BR>I'm new to the list but the ICANN issue is of a philosophical interest<BR>to me for quite some time.<BR><BR>You say that "one person one vote" might be a good option but in my<BR>opinion that is not nearly enough. We have some experience with this<BR>system and it is highly abusable.<BR>There are methods of "guiding" the opinion of the mases and they seem<BR>to work quite well. Even if the opinion of the majority was not<BR>perverted you still have potentially billions of people in the<BR>minority having to accept the majority decisions, however wrong they<BR>may be.<BR><BR>In my opinion a just system would function like this:<BR>- ICANN, IETF or whatever would be in charge of developing a standard<BR>for a massive distributed system out of the possibility of control<BR>from any single entity or group of entities.<BR> This system, let's call it DNS2 would be something like a DNS<BR>combined with a cryptographic key server and functioning without a<BR>root server.<BR>- a new registered domain/key/tag would be signed by the end user and<BR>would be automatically propagated into the DNS2 grid, any change would<BR>also have to be signed by the end user and would also be automatically<BR>propagated.<BR>- any user using DNS2 could check various nodes for the same<BR>information to be sure that he doesn't get different results.<BR><BR>A system like this would be designed based on core principles of<BR>personal rights and would not delegate any authority to any central<BR>body.<BR>The central body would be able to run it's nodes to provide it's<BR>responses to the user queries and assure everybody that the system is<BR>not abused. Any country, university or private group could run it's<BR>own nodes to have it's own assurances.<BR>Nobody will ever have to vote and hope for the best or loose sleep<BR>because the mass media promoted their own interests and not the end<BR>user interests.<BR><BR>I believe that we reached a point where the technology allows us to<BR>function as society without the need of creating massive nodes of<BR>delegated authority.<BR>Not only that but more, I believe that we reached a point where<BR>delegating authority and relying on these nodes of delegated authority<BR>is inefficient, slow and potentially dangerous.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Cosmin L. Neagu<BR><BR>On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Paul Lehto <<A href="http://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lehto.paul@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com">lehto.paul@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> [For those seeking the most concise general statement of the problems<BR>> and ideas I'm writing about, the original post at bottom is probably<BR>> the best several paragraphs to show that.] Now follows a brief reply<BR>> to Jeffrey Williams reply:<BR>><BR>> The classic question of governance is: What power will oversee the<BR>> exercise of Power? And who oversees THAT power?<BR>><BR>> When Roman commanders informed their legionnaires that they had hired<BR>> guards to guard the chastity of their wives while they were away on<BR>> military campaigns, the legionnaire's howls of laughter were so loud<BR>> they can still be heard occasionally through the centuries of<BR>> intervening history: They couldn't stop laughing in response to the<BR>> question of their commanders:<BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR> <A href="http://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>To be removed from the list, send any message to:<BR> <A href="http://us.mc807.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org" ymailto="mailto:governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org">governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR><BR>For all list information and functions, see:<BR> <A href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance" target=_blank>http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</A><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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