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color=#0000ff size=2>I'm feelin' that collective responsibility right now. I AM
the IGC....</FONT></SPAN></DIV><!-- Converted from text/plain format -->
<P><FONT size=2>Milton Mueller<BR>Professor, Syracuse University School of
Information Studies<BR>XS4All Professor, Delft University of
Technology<BR>------------------------------<BR>Internet Governance
Project:<BR><A
href="http://internetgovernance.org/">http://internetgovernance.org</A><BR></FONT></P>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Parminder
[mailto:parminder@itforchange.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 29,
2009 4:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B> governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[governance] IGC membership<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The membership issue of
this group certainly needs to be sorted out.<BR><BR>I have said this before,
but I can see only one real way out. To have a clear membership which is
renewed bi-yearly. It doesnt matter if there are only 30-40 such members. They
need to feel a collective (sorry for using that word, Milton :) )
responsibility for the caucus. At present it is too much of 'some one else
will do it' and coordinators are left with an impossible job.
<BR><BR>Organizational issues should be dealt by this members list, with free
and regular references to the larger group, which consists of those who are
interested in the caucus, in the matters of getting information, contributing,
and deliberating, but not willing to take much responsibility, which is
of course very fine. For most purposes one will never feel the
difference while participating in the regular larger group.... it will only be
more or less an exceptional thing to take matters to the members group
<BR><BR>Otherwise we will keep ending up in some absurd situations of the kind
Milton refers to.<BR><BR>I appeal to coordinators to take this issue up.
<BR><BR>parminder <BR></FONT><BR>Milton L Mueller wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I voted against the
amendment, but do not have a problem with the procedure used.
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The real problem is
that a high bar was set regarding the membership portion who have to vote.
If a loose organization such as this attracts 200 people who call themselves
“members” at point A and after two years 35% of them lose interest and stop
participating, then no charter amendments would ever be possible. If the
vote were a close one it would be different, of course. As it is, all that
happened was that the vote extension allowed the will of an overwhelming
majority to be executed.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
Magaly Pazello [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:femlists@gmail.com">mailto:femlists@gmail.com</A>] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:00
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on"><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A></ST1:PERSONNAME>;
Jeffrey A. Williams<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [governance] Results of
charter amendment vote</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear list,<BR>after a long time I am
getting involved with IG issues again. I have been following up the
discussions and all other process here in the list despite my
silence.<BR><BR>I would like to thanks the list coordinators for all the wok
done regarding to the charter amendment as well the other lsit members who
have spent time and dedication to make the voting posible. I think nw is
time to look forward as the IGF is coming and there is much to do.<BR><BR>I
have voted during the regular voting period and all the people I have
aproached have received the ballot in time and have voted during this
period. But it sems do not be exactly point. Since the number of votes in
favor of the charter amendment is very higher in relation to who is against,
I think this disparity say much more about the decision of list members to
adopt the new text than if all the rules was strictly followed or not. Also
because we don't know if the 9 votes against the charter amendment were made
within the regular voting period or during the extension period.<BR><BR>I
have a question, passing the 72 hours without a proper appeal to the voting
process the charter amendment will be definetely adopted,
right?<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>Magaly
Pazello<BR><BR><BR><BR><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2009/9/27 Jeffrey A. Williams <<A
href="mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com</A>><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Danny and all,<BR><BR> There is certainly more
than reasonable evidance to suspect, but not<BR>necessarly prove that gaming
of the process has occurred or may have<BR>occurred. Simply extending
the voting period alone justifies that<BR>suspicion.<BR><BR> So far the
reason given for the extending of the voting period don't<BR>ring very true
or reasonable to me, for what ever that's worth to
others.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>>From:
<ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on">Danny Younger</ST1:PERSONNAME> <<A
href="mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">dannyyounger@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>Sent: Sep 27,
2009 1:05 PM<BR>>To: <A href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A>, <ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">Ian Peter</ST1:PERSONNAME> <<A
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</A>><BR>>Subject: Re:
[governance] Results of charter amendment
vote<BR>><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">>Ian,<BR>><BR>>Thank you for the
clarification. Please be advised that I am considering the filing of
an appeal owing to the likelihood of procedural irregularities, and would
appreciate a few answers to help guide my ultimate
decision.<BR>><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">>One gets the impression from your remarks that
those that managed the amendment vote process were fully aware that the
amendment had failed to pass (owing to a failure to meet the 2/3 threshold
requirement) as of the pre-established cut-off date for the voting; these
managers then proceeded to put forth a series of justifications to extend
the vote in order to obtain the particular outcome that they themselves
preferred.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">><BR>>Is this impression substantially
correct? If so, in my view such actions constitute an improper gaming
of the process.<BR>><BR>>Best regards,<BR>><ST1:PERSONNAME
w:st="on">Danny
Younger</ST1:PERSONNAME><BR>><BR>>[...]<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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