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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think Bertrand’s questions are
good ones.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I really don’t understand your
concept of an institution; and since economic institutionalism is my paradigm
that’s a problem. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Institutions can be social or anti-social –
a large part of the institutional economics literature, and what made it more
interesting than its neoclassical predecessors was the recognition that things
like parasitism, exploitation and zero-sum or negative sum games can be and are
often institutionalized, via path-dependent processes. One should not confuse a
normative appraisal of ICANN with its status as an Institution. Institution is
a value-neutral term in my lexicon. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ICANN does have a social purpose: it is
the institution that resolves conflicts over property rights and coordination of
the Internet’s naming system. (See Ruling the Root, 2002) It is the arena
through which stakeholders with power over various functions in the Internet
addressing system come to terms. That’s how institutions emerge –
via conflict. Governments are now buying into it, via the GAC, which gives them
a dangerous extra-constitutional, extra legal power to make policy. GAC is
becoming institutionalized, partly through sheer inertia, partly because
certain interests like or benefit from the model. Therefore ICANN is an institution;
a pretty friggin messy and loose one, still, but it performs an ordering
function and it defines and assigns property rights. If you’ve read the
miserable IRT report, you see that it’s still a growing one: it is superseding
trademark law with ICANN-defined rules taken to amazing new extremes, the integration
of domain name registration into a reservation and matching system of globally
protected marks. A rapid suspension service. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And again, back to Bertrand, ok, if you
and Parminder don’t think we should work through ICANN give us viable
strategies and scenarios for getting _<i><span style='font-style:italic'>liberal</span></i>_
and democratic freedoms in to global governance of the Internet some other way.
I’m all ears. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>--MM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Meryem Marzouki
[mailto:meryem@marzouki.info] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 20, 2009
1:09 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> governance@lists.cpsr.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [governance] Letter
to Rod Beckstrom</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Bertrand, you intervention in this discussion might also help in case
there is a difference in the concept of "institution" in French and
in English..<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My point is not with the global or not global nature of ICANN. It is
rather with qualifying it or not as an "institution". <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I already acknowledged that it makes global decision, impacting the
whole world: not sure it makes it truly global, but sort of. I also acknowledge
that, say, a really big multinational firm (whatever its sector of activity:
finance, security/military, industry, service..) could be a global entity, in
the same sense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>But an institution, at least in my understanding, has something to do
with social order. For better or for worse (an institution is not necessarily
democratic), but its purpose is social (like in society, not necessarily like
in social justice).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I don't think ICANN has any social purpose. Not that it doesn't deal
with issues having highly social implications -- it does, but the point is that
it has NOT been designed as such. And, to be honest, I don't think there is any
reasonable hope to modify it so that its start looking like an institution.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hope this starts answering your questions, and that this might explain
why I think CS (nor governments, BTW) shouldn't *participate* in its processes
since, yes, they legitimize it this way, and they make it somewhat look like an
institution, when it is not, and wont become, in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Meryem<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Le 20 sept. 09 à 18:34, Bertrand de La Chapelle a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear Meryem,<br>
<br>
Looking at your interesting exchange with <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Milton</st1:place></st1:City>
regarding the "global" or non global nature of ICANN, I'd like to ask
two complementary questions : <br>
- what would be required in your view to make ICANN truly global ? what kind of
modification ?<br>
- and can such an outcome be obtained without participating in ICANN's
processes, (which brings the risk of legitimizing it, if I understand you well)
?<br>
<br>
These questions are not jokes. I think you both touch upon very difficult
issues that a lot of people are grappling with. I sincerely am interested in
practical suggestions. The issue of ICANN's accountability to all stakeholders
will be high on the agenda in the post-JPA framework. <br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Bertrand<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The whole point with ICANN in this discussion is that it is NOT a<br>
"global institution".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Not sure what you mean here. If its effects are global and it is
institutionalized it is, in my definition, a global institution. And ICANN more
or less meets both criteria. I am sure you understand that no global polity
will spring perfectly into being.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sure. But my definition is different from yours. I think ICANN is an
organization, led and driven by private companies and interests (including
multi-nationals), still having to be somewhat accountable to the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> gov, but
willing to get rid of this. Well, this is quickly written and misses many
details and subtleties, but that's to explain why, in my opinion, it doesn't
fit any acceptable definition of a global institution. I think your definition
is too inclusive here.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>rules. Because if you enter it, you back it, whatever the genuineness<br>
of your intentions and efforts.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Yes, one does have to make choices. If it's a choice between the DNS and IP
addresses being taken over by states/IGOs or some modification and evolution of
the ICANN/RIR regime I've made my choice.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You fall into this again. I've thought we've gone beyond the ICANN vs.
ITU debate?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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