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<DIV>This response is no joke either. There was a place called the General Assembly <EM>within</EM> ICANN. It was dismantled but not destroyed. It was the place for interested non-affiliated individuals to participate in ICANN without endorsing it. In the 2006 restructuring it was denuded. But for some MOU reason it was left as a skeleton. It has been kept alive though beaten and censored and whipped into submission. It is part of the GNSO.</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="http://www.icann.org/en/general/bylaws.htm">http://www.icann.org/en/general/bylaws.htm</A> 2006 XX5.1 and X3.4</DIV>
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<DIV>It even has rules, like here - that are seldom followed, but there.</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.htm">http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.htm</A></DIV>
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<DIV>If you doubt my history or the existence Check with past Chairmen; Gaetano and Younger.</DIV>
<DIV>Every CEO, Chairman and GNSO Chair has participated there. If you think it does not have an impact check with Avri and Beckstrom who have recently posted there.</DIV>
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<DIV>Those of us there have fought hard and diligently to keep an open forum alive in ICANN. There is a place to work within ICANN without endorsing ICANN.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 9/20/09, Bertrand <SPAN>de</SPAN> La Chapelle <I><bdelachapelle@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV id=yiv1847629151>Dear Meryem,<BR><BR>Looking at your interesting exchange with Milton regarding the "global" or non global nature of ICANN, I'd like to ask two complementary questions : <BR>- what would be required in your view to make ICANN truly global ? what kind of modification ?<BR>- and can such an outcome be obtained without participating in ICANN's processes, (which brings the risk of legitimizing it, if I understand you well) ?<BR><BR>These questions are not jokes. I think you both touch upon very difficult issues that a lot of people are grappling with. I sincerely am interested in practical suggestions. The issue of ICANN's accountability to all stakeholders will be high on the agenda in the post-JPA framework. <BR><BR>Best<BR><BR>Bertrand<BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">The whole point with ICANN in this discussion is that it is NOT a<BR>"global institution".<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not sure what you mean here. If its effects are global and it is institutionalized it is, in my definition, a global institution. And ICANN more or less meets both criteria. I am sure you understand that no global polity will spring perfectly into being.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>Sure. But my definition is different from yours. I think ICANN is an organization, led and driven by private companies and interests (including multi-nationals), still having to be somewhat accountable to the US gov, but willing to get rid of this. Well, this is quickly written and misses many details and subtleties, but that's to explain why, in my opinion, it doesn't fit any acceptable definition of a global institution. I think your definition
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">rules. Because if you enter it, you back it, whatever the genuineness<BR>of your intentions and efforts.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes, one does have to make choices. If it's a choice between the DNS and IP addresses being taken over by states/IGOs or some modification and evolution of the ICANN/RIR regime I've made my choice.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>You fall into this again. I've thought we've gone beyond the ICANN vs. ITU debate?
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