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<P>Parminder and all,</P>
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<P> Irrespective or Avri's possible missive, the Internationalization of the Internet took place long ago now,</P>
<P>and is within ICANN represented through the GAC, minus still China having a representative. The</P>
<P>problem(s) with this oversight and representation of the GAC is that it's representatives are government</P>
<P>selected/appointed and have been less than forceful in their impact on the governance of ICANN thus </P>
<P>far largely as a result of commerical interests represented in the various ICANN Constituencies. INEGroup,</P>
<P>including myself have sense it's inception found the GNSO and in particular the Constituency Model sevearly</P>
<P>flawed and too greatly in favor of the BC, IPC, RC, and Service provider constituencies. As a result ICANN</P>
<P>policy and to the extent existant, Internet Governance has been lopsidedly determined and/or influenced.<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Parminder <PARMINDER@ITFORCHANGE.NET><BR>Sent: Sep 18, 2009 5:35 AM <BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, Parminder <PARMINDER@ITFORCHANGE.NET><BR>Cc: Avri Doria <AVRI@PSG.COM><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] Letter to Rod Beckstrom <BR><BR><ZZZHTML><ZZZHEAD><ZZZMETA content="text/html;charset=us-ascii" http-equiv="Content-Type"></ZZZHEAD><ZZZBODY bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Subsequent to an offline exchange, I must make it clear that the term doublespeak is used not for Avri, since the point where it appears is far removed from what could in any way be construed as a direct response to her email.. It has to do with the attitude of many in the civil society who treat internationalization as not that important an issue, and we all know it is a fact that many don't, and often actively resist any moves in this direction. parminder </FONT><BR><BR>Parminder wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:4AB34014.9000508@itforchange.net type="cite"><BR><BR>Avri Doria wrote: <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Hi, <BR><BR>and if the civil society orgs had the lobbying clout, wouldn't we use it? <BR>wouldn't it be malfeasance to one's members not to do anything legal one could? <BR><BR>and perhaps we do have the clout among some our participants, <BR>but we do not seem to organize lobbying efforts with the same zeal. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe. But on another important count, we, as the South based civil society groups, loathe to work through a system where the interests and rights of one country are highly privileged over others (the sub-committee keeps speaking of US citizens, and expectedly so). We are not willing to be the 'rest of them' as we figure in this system... It is therefore of great and urgent importance that internationalization of supervision of ICANN is seen as *the* non-negotiable and urgent step in the IG arena. The reluctance and double-speak of many in what is seen as the global civil society in this arena is most disturbing to me, and as I am prone to say, completely unacceptable. <BR><BR>parminder <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR>perhaps we should <BR>- not that i know anything about what it takes to lobby US congress <BR>or anyone's legislature for that mater.. <BR><BR>a. <BR><BR>On 18 Sep 2009, at 00:35, Milton L Mueller wrote: <BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">So the trademark interests continue to go to the US Congress while bargaining in bad faith within ICANN. <BR><BR>--MM <BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Danny Younger [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com">mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com</A>] <BR>Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:55 PM <BR>To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> <BR>Subject: [governance] Letter to Rod Beckstrom <BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://domainnamewire.com/wp-content/ICANN-smith-coble.pdf">http://domainnamewire.com/wp-content/ICANN-smith-coble.pdf</A> <BR><BR>ICANN's CEO has been asked to respond by 22 September to three sets of <BR>questions posed by the U.S. House Judiciary's subcommittee on Courts and <BR>Competition Policy. The following day (23 Sept.) the Committee is holding <BR>a hearing on the Expansion of Top Level Domains and its Effects on <BR>Competition; the Hearing will be webcast -- see <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/calendar.html">http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/calendar.html</A> <BR><BR>Witness Lists have not yet been posted. <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>____________________________________________________________ <BR>You received this message as a subscriber on the list: <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> <BR>To be removed from the list, send any message to: <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org">governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org</A> <BR><BR>For all list information and functions, see: <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance">http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</A> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>____________________________________________________________ <BR>You received this message as a subscriber on the list: <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> <BR>To be removed from the list, send any message to: <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org">governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org</A> <BR><BR>For all list information and functions, see: <BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance">http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</A> <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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