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Good point, Danny. It would be worth pointing that out in submissions
to ICANN. <br>
<br>
APC is planning to make a submission and it would be good if the IGC
could say something about the two amendments as well. There are two
inter-related problems with the proposed amendments:<br>
<br>
1. While the provision for the ICANN community to request for the Board
to re-examine a decision is a step forward, there is still no
democratic sanction for the Board if the community fundamentally
disagrees with a Board decision even after it is re-examined by the
Board. The community still does not have the power to dismiss the
Board. <br>
<br>
2. While the Independent Review Body and the expansion of its functions
is a step forward, it still does not address the problem that the Board
can ignore its findings and recommendations if the Board determines
that the recommendations 'are not in the best interests of ICANN'. <br>
<br>
Both amendments ultimately depend on the disposition of the Board
towards the issue under re-examination or review. Certainly it would be
an unwise Board that completely ignores the expressed views of
two-thirds of the ICANN community or the reasoned recommendations of
senior jurists, but bylaws are not about dispositions, they are to do
with fair and reasonable conduct by those in authority. In the event
that that is lacking, there needs to be some ultimate sanction such as
a power for the ICANN community to dismiss the Board. The ICANN
President's Strategy Committee recognised this in its recommendations
on accountability when it proposed the establishment of 'an
extraordinary mechanism for the community to remove and replace the
Board in special circumstances'. This is simple democracy and is a
basic feature of all democratic organisations. That it is missing from
ICANN's bylaws is a signifier of a lack of accountability and
democratic procedure that can not be cured by the current proposed
amendments.<br>
<br>
It is also interesting to note that the EU in its communication on
internet governance of 18 June, was of the view that 'one element of
an evolution of the current governance system could be the completion
of an internal ICANN reform leading to full accontability and
transparency'. Unfortunately, inasmuch as these two bylaw amendments
are intended to achieve 'full accountability', they fall short. <br>
<br>
Willie<br>
<br>
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Danny Younger wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi Avri,
There are many legitimate reasons for delaying comments until the last moment. In this particular case, those of us that follow accountability issues understand that the first real test of ICANN's current Independent Review Process comes next Monday 21 September when the .xxx dispute (the ICMregistry-versus-ICANN case filed on 6 June 2008) is heard by the International Centre for Dispute Resolution in NYC.
My own view is that it makes little sense to amend the bylaws to create an Independent Review Tribunal as an accountability mechanism when we haven't even had a chance to analyze whether the current IRP works sufficiently or is somehow deficient.
-- danny --
--- On Tue, 9/15/09, Avri Doria <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:avri@acm.org"><avri@acm.org></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">From: Avri Doria <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:avri@acm.org"><avri@acm.org></a>
Subject: Re: [governance] Dynamic Coallition on ICANN Accountability and International Conformity - IAIC
To: "Governance/IGC List" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org"><governance@lists.cpsr.org></a>
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 5:51 PM
hi,
i am planning to, ad it is a good idea.
but like many people, i rarely get comments in befoe
the last day.
thanks for the reminder. when i saw your note i had
moment's panic thinking i had missed the deadline.
a.
On 15 Sep 2009, at 18:08, Danny Younger wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Interesting. ICANN puts up a public forum
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<pre wrap="">dealing with Proposed Bylaw Changes to Improve
Accountability and not a single member of this community
posts any comments whatsoever. Instead, community
members tell us about plenary activities that are held that
still don't result in any meaningful comments on
accountability being put through directly to ICANN in a
timely fashion.
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<pre wrap="">If you really cared about ICANN Accountability one
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<pre wrap="">would think that you would be conveying your concerns
directly to ICANN when the opportunity presented
itself. Comments may be sent to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:iic-proposed-bylaws@icann.org">iic-proposed-bylaws@icann.org</a>
until 25 September.
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--- On Tue, 9/15/09, Fouad Bajwa <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com"><fouadbajwa@gmail.com></a>
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<pre wrap="">From: Fouad Bajwa <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com"><fouadbajwa@gmail.com></a>
Subject: [governance] Dynamic Coallition on ICANN
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<pre wrap="">Accountability and International Conformity - IAIC
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Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 9:16 AM
Dear Members,
As per the proceedings of the EuroDIG.org plenary
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Phase: towards a future Internet Governance Model,
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discussion amongst the European Governments and
participants about the
role of ICANN and more accountability of it in
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Governance Forum. There has a need been identified
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"Dynamic Coallition on ICANN Accountability and
International
Conformity - IAIC" (though proposed in its
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sensibly) at the IGF in order to deal with the
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more strategically, tactically with a
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within the light of the Tunis Agenda or if not
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then realizing that although ICANNs
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by-laws require it to co-operate with relevant
international
organisations and to carry out its activities in
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relevant principles of international law and
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conventions and local law, there are no related
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arrangements and this can be the first step to
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<pre wrap="">create this
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IGF process needs to be kept separate but
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(though this comment is still very vague).
Your suggestions on this proposal would be really
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circulating this to other IG related lists for
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--Regards.
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