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<P>Eric and all,</P>
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<P> Also a good point! I am of the opinion that doing "Somthing" in person is the perview of that</P>
<P>person, not the perview of others.<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Eric Dierker <COGITOERGOSUM@SBCGLOBAL.NET><BR>Sent: Sep 12, 2009 6:42 PM <BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Jeffrey A. Williams" <JWKCKID1@IX.NETCOM.COM>, Roland Perry <ROLAND@INTERNETPOLICYAGENCY.COM><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] Help European govts embrace Web 2.0! <BR><BR>
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<TD vAlign=top>I am really quite humored by the corporate and governent mentality that sees cost savings in going "online" with everything. Obviously in some circumstances it is good to automate activity and preserve resources, improve efficiency, cut costs. But if we actually accept that as the norm and that there must be an exception to do something in person, oh my!!<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 9/12/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <I><jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] Help European govts embrace Web 2.0!<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Roland Perry" <roland@internetpolicyagency.com>, governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR>Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:38 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Roland and all,<BR><BR> Very good point here. Well done Roeland! As Paul has often<BR>reminded and articulated in various terms to me regarding the<BR>often errors of "The Machines", which can be interperted in various<BR>ways of course, but none the less recognizes that despite programing<BR>of "The Machines" programing errors are not always readily recognized<BR>or even admitted. Ergo other means of communicating to government<BR>officials should remain open, and above all Transparent.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>>From: Roland Perry <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=roland@internetpolicyagency.com" ymailto="mailto:roland@internetpolicyagency.com">roland@internetpolicyagency.com</A>><BR>>Sent: Sep 12, 2009 10:39 AM<BR>>To: <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>>Subject: Re: [governance] Help European govts embrace Web 2.0!<BR>><BR>>In message <BR>><<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=4d976d8e0909110915l33a8c785xeadbe00a44e096af@mail.gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:4d976d8e0909110915l33a8c785xeadbe00a44e096af@mail.gmail.com">4d976d8e0909110915l33a8c785xeadbe00a44e096af@mail.gmail.com</A>>, at <BR>>18:15:47 on Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Max Senges <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=maxsenges@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:maxsenges@gmail.com">maxsenges@gmail.com</A>> writes<BR>>>Help craft a collective, open declaration that will push governments to <BR>>>embrace the web culture of openness and collaboration in designing <BR>>>future public services<BR>><BR>>Don't forget to encourage them to continue to have those government <BR>>services available through non-electronic channels. While it's good to <BR>>be able use an e-channel, forcing its exclusive use runs the danger of <BR>>creating an often overlooked social inclusion issue.<BR>>-- <BR>>Roland Perry<BR>>____________________________________________________________<BR>>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR>> <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>>To be removed from the list, send any message to:<BR>> <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org" ymailto="mailto:governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org">governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>><BR>>For all list information and functions, see:<BR>> <A href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance" target=_blank>http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</A><BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 294k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated 1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com" ymailto="mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com">jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com</A><BR>Phone: 214-244-4827<BR><BR><BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR> <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>To be removed from the list, send any message to:<BR> <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org" ymailto="mailto:governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org">governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR><BR>For all list information and functions, see:<BR> <A href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance" target=_blank>http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</A><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>