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<font face="Arial">Thanks Lisa for the initial draft, and to others for
continuing this very important discussion. Lisa has agreed to post
another draft within a few days, taking the discussion points into
account, and "moderate" us to a consensus document before the OC
meeting.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Ginger<br>
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Meryem Marzouki wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:C2DDF730-30DE-44DE-BFF3-D27372A91FB6@ras.eu.org"
type="cite">Hi again Fouad,
<br>
<br>
I think we don't have any disagreement here. I understand and share
your concern about the vagueness of "internet rights", thus my
reluctance to use this wording, and my insistance on sticking to the
fundamentals. Basically, we want to bring on the table the human rights
issue, as a cross-cutting issue, and we want to see it taken into
account in the overall IGF program, so as to be able to discuss this
issue in the internet context. This was the objective of the written
IGC statement prepared by Anja and submitted to the IGF secretariat,
and remains the objective of this oral statement prepared by Lisa and
intended for presentation in Geneva later this month.
<br>
Unfortunately I wont be able to go to Geneva this time, and as a matter
of fact I had to decline an invitation to participate to one of the
EuroDIG workshops. But there are many of them intending to raise
different rights issues (program at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.eurodig.org/">http://www.eurodig.org/</a>), not to
mention other specific meetings during this Geneva week, among them the
DC IRP meeting, your own workshop, etc.). These are opportunities to
deal with the substantive issue, but we want it officially recognized
and implemented at IGF too.
<br>
<br>
Best,
<br>
Meryem
<br>
<br>
Le 3 sept. 09 à 14:52, Fouad Bajwa a écrit :
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Meryem,
<br>
<br>
My intention earlier was neither to start a new argument nor go into
<br>
any other direction of things. Please be clear on this. As for the IGC
<br>
interventions on the issues of Internet Rights, members from CS will
<br>
be able to confirm that I was actively participating and deliberating
<br>
on these issues at the open consultations and MAG meetings.
<br>
<br>
Just in case this isn't on IGC record, we have intervened on the
<br>
Internet Rights issue at the May meetings in Geneva as well as during
<br>
the MAG meetings and thus have brought it on the table of the IGF. The
<br>
problem is, that I personally felt, vagueness to the term Internet
<br>
Rights and what it refers to for the other anti-internet rights groups
<br>
to twist and confuse the pursuit. Yes the documents on Human Rights
<br>
are available and we continuously quote them, but the funnelling down
<br>
with a focus on Internet is not happening and then we find countries
<br>
like China and other private sector lobbyists throwing out the topic
<br>
of the window. The APC Internet Rights document is there but again,
<br>
that is attributed to a single organization because it says APC
<br>
Internet Rights Charter and within a multilateral scope of issues and
<br>
interventions, either many more have to team up with APC or there
<br>
should be a more strengthened backing to it.
<br>
<br>
I think my comment was taken in a different understanding, indeed the
<br>
intention in not a battle, the intention is simply to refer back to
<br>
the particular clauses like a footnote or something.
<br>
<br>
Once again, I will be at my end raising the issue of Internet Rights
<br>
and IG4D in meeting and the IGF. Secondly, I have plans to get in
<br>
touch with CS organizations and groups from the various countries of
<br>
the developing world and pursue a more focused pressure group to
<br>
convince the IGF to take on Internet Rights and IG4D as main session
<br>
themes.
<br>
<br>
Just in case, this discussion may be paused here to complete the IGC
<br>
IR statement and we can discuss this face to face with IGC/CS
<br>
participants during the EuroDIG session on IR or the IGF Preparatory.
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Meryem
Marzouki<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:marzouki@ras.eu.org"><marzouki@ras.eu.org></a> wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Fouad,
<br>
<br>
a couple of anwers below. Meryem
<br>
<br>
Le 3 sept. 09 à 14:07, Fouad Bajwa a écrit :
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">There are two things I thought I'd
share.......
<br>
<br>
First can we explicitly mention the particular article/clause number
<br>
from the WSIS Principles and the Tunis Agenda so that when the
<br>
statement is read, it is recorded accurately during the preparatory.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
You may have noticed that it's not a quote of WSIS Decl. or TA, rather
a
<br>
general reminder. As a matter of fact, the word "centrality" is not
<br>
explicitly used in these texts, but rather in the CS Decl. The goal is
not
<br>
here to argue with clauses or articles. The discussion at next
preparatory
<br>
meeting is not expected to turn into a legal battle over these texts
that
<br>
anyone car refer to - at least I hope so.
<br>
If really felt needed, one may refer to the first part of the Decl
("our
<br>
common vision of the information society"), especially para. 1-5 of the
<br>
Decl. Similar references can be found in the Tunis Commitment, and in
the TA
<br>
(e.g. paras 42, 44, 46, etc.).
<br>
Again, I strongly advise not to enter into this.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Secondly, can we have a backup document
on Internet Rights, not
<br>
particularly the APC one but a very independent one specifically from
<br>
IGC that can be sent with this statement to the IGF Secrertariate.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
As for now, the international bill of rights (UDHR + the two
international
<br>
covenants on civil and political rights and on economic social and
cultural
<br>
rights) or even the sole UDHR are enough. There are no such "Internet
<br>
rights", but human rights as they apply on the internet. Charters such
as
<br>
the APC one tries to define such application. And the whole point of
this
<br>
IGC statement and of the existence of many coalitions, like the IRP
one, is
<br>
to try to discuss and commonly agree on how HR translates in the
ifnromation
<br>
society. It's easy to understand that if such a "very independent"
document
<br>
exists, then the whole discussion and the statement wouldn't be
necessary.
<br>
Thus the request is, as for now, to officially put the issue on the IGF
<br>
table.
<br>
<br>
Best,
<br>
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