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<P>Eric and all,</P>
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<P> I agree up to your point regarding bad manners. One persons idea of what is and what is not bad manners</P>
<P>is a matter of opinion and as you know, opinions very greatly. No one persons opinion of what is and what</P>
<P>is not bad manners is superior to anyone elses.</P>
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<P> I make no apologies for my style or manner of expression for any reason. <BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Eric Dierker <COGITOERGOSUM@SBCGLOBAL.NET><BR>Sent: Aug 22, 2009 6:13 PM <BR>To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <JWKCKID1@IX.NETCOM.COM>, Voice of Freedom <GOVERNANCE@LISTS.CPSR.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] Complex Networks, ccing and talking too much. <BR><BR>
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<DIV>Perhaps you missread my dribble. No one should be proud of their own failings. No one with a college degree should engage in illiteracy. No one who is proud of their heritage should disgrace their family. Good manners and etiquette are not dirty words. There is no custom that is disgusting -- just different. </DIV>
<DIV>These rules are not laws they are good tools to guide oneself. Nothing is wrong with ignorance unless it is intentional. Bad manners are not bad unless done by one who knows better. A mark of intelligence is being sharp witted without offending.</DIV>
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<DIV>These concepts are as clear as exclusionary practices and prejudice. There is much wrong with the person in a superior position not being open and transparent and honest. That is not merely bad manners, that is morally wrong and intellectually corrupt.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 8/22/09, Jeffrey A. Williams <I><jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] Complex Networks, ccing and talking too much.<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net>, "Voice of Freedom" <governance@lists.cpsr.org>, ian.peter@ianpeter.com<BR>Cc: anja@cis-india.org, avri@acm.org, CWallace@cygnacom.com, ca@rits.org.br, carlton.samuels@uwimona.edu.jm, charityg@diplomacy.edu, aheineman@ntia.doc.gov, gpaque@gmail.com, jam@jacquelinemorris.com, jhunker@andrew.cmu.edu, baptista@publicroot.org, kalston@syr.edu, lmcknigh@syr.edu, ldmisekfalkoff@gmail.com, dogwallah@gmail.com, mueller@syr.edu, nhklein@gmx.net, lehto.paul@gmail.com, robin@ipjustice.org, roland@internetpolicyagency.com, goldstein.roxana@gmail.com, correia.rui@gmail.com, isolatedn@gmail.com, suerie_moon@yahoo.com, vanda@uol.com.br, wcurrie@apc.org, yehudakatz@mailinator.com<BR>Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 9:10 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Eric and all,</DIV>
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<DIV> FWIW, for far too many years, nearly 4 decades now the American people have been</DIV>
<DIV>far too apathetic and talking too little, and when talking saying only slightly more, and</DIV>
<DIV>getting better addressed when talking far more largely in part as a result of the Internet,</DIV>
<DIV>especially in the past 5 or 6 years. Silence may be golden, but it is also empty and far</DIV>
<DIV>too often when self imposed or imposed by others for various reasons/excuses, leaves</DIV>
<DIV>progress to flounder and often die a slow death. Such is not a governance healthy</DIV>
<DIV>thing.</DIV>
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<DIV> I say speak loudly, boldly and often if your a mind to, and let no man/woman dissuade</DIV>
<DIV>you of otherwise lest your voice never be heard, you participation be neglagable, and</DIV>
<DIV>your future, and perhaps the future of your fellow man be stagnant. Let not the Miltons</DIV>
<DIV>of the world dictate your voice, your message, your ideas, your manner for they are the</DIV>
<DIV>pervayers of stagnation, hate, and negativity. Such has no good place in the fellowship</DIV>
<DIV>of man and mankind in this century.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Eric Dierker <BR>Sent: Aug 22, 2009 12:58 AM <BR>To: Voice of Freedom <BR>Subject: [governance] Complex Networks, ccing and talking too much. <BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>What a cool internet infrastructure and all seamless and on demand/command for almost nothing!!</FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>But what reminded me most of this list was the mighty freeway networks – Business commuters, commercial delivery, Overland longhaulers, Grandmas, tourists, school buses.</FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>And we all got to where we were going just fine by following some strict rules of the road: But mainly it all worked out because we follow simple courtesy toward our fellow networkers and are patient and accepting of the differences. Complex, simple, physical or ethereal, communicative or transportive,,, all networks work better when we make our intentions known, act openly and with courtesy and most important, do not try to direct everyone and respect differences.<SPAN> </SPAN>Working on skills and remaining open to new methods and old ideas, make them really great.</FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Good manners and good netiquette will be followed on this list, not by mandating and "governing" but by constant examination and practice, by open discussions and by people not leaving or quitting or being excluded on every offense. Always remembering our actions are often more rude than our speech. This would be respectful interface and a globalization I can finally support.</FONT>
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<DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE>Regards,<BR><BR><BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 294k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated 1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com<BR>Phone: 214-244-4827<BR></BODY>