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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Avri<br>
<br>
I request a clarification about your views on this.<br>
<br>
You earlier email seems to suggest that the act of voting is necessary
to put one on the voters list for charter amendment. To quote your email<br>
<br>
"So two months on the list without ever having even taken part in an
activity like the election of coordinators seemed too short. By having
required at least one act of participation that was not directed at the
charter change (and that included at least the 2 month interval), the
charter restricts changes to those who have been committed to the
charter for a while."</font><br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><br>
But the email below seems to suggest that one needs only to be on the
voting list (which, as per present procedure, is just to be on the egov
list for 2 months prior to elections without even an affirmation of the
charter, which at present is being done mostly only as a part of the
election process) for the last election to be able to vote for charter
amendment. </font><br>
<br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">>It does not say only
those who voted, it says anyone on that voters
list which include both previous members and >those who joined by
signing
the on to the charter in the act of voting.
<br>
<br>
the charter reads<br>
<br>
"The membership requirements for amending the charter are based on the
most currently available voters list. In amending the charter, everyone
who voted in the previous election will be deemed a member for amending
the charter."<br>
<br>
To me it seems to say one *should* have voted in *the* previous
election to vote for amending the charter. I remember that during the
election when Ian was chosen as a coordinator we put text on the ballot
paper to the effect that while you will still retain IGC membership (if
you already are one) even if you do not voting, voting is necessary to
qualify to vote in any charter amendment that may come up. <br>
<br>
My personal preference is that anyone who has been an IGC member, by
specifically accepting membership through affirmation of the charter,
for a sufficiently long period, say 9 months or a year, should be
allowed to vote for a charter amendment even if she may have missed
voting because she was on a long vacation at that time or something
like that. But that is not what the charter says at present. We should
amend the charter to make a more reasonable provision for voters list
for charter amendments. I do agree with you that it is important to
provide sufficient safeguards against capture.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
</font><br>
Avri Doria wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:CEC393B2-1B51-49D6-8B88-AD298CE7AA88@psg.com"
type="cite">hi,
<br>
<br>
My assumption is that everyone who was on the members list at the time
of that last election (members who either voted then or who were
already members) is a voting member for the amendment since the list is
cumulative. It does not say only those who voted, it says anyone on
that voters list whic include both pervious members and those who
joined by signing the on to the charter in the act of voting.
<br>
<br>
what i am not sure about is someone who has quit the list since then.
since a basic requirement for membership is being on the list.
<br>
<br>
a.
<br>
<br>
On 24 Aug 2009, at 12:40, David Souter wrote:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear Ginger:
<br>
<br>
Your answer raises a separate question.
<br>
<br>
Do you mean here that only people who actually voted in the last
coordinator election will be entitled to vote on this amendment, or
that those who were entitled to vote at that time will be entitled now?
<br>
<br>
There could be quite a substantial difference.
<br>
<br>
David Souter
<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Start Original Message -----
<br>
Sent: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:56:00 -0430
<br>
From: Ginger Paque <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com"><gpaque@gmail.com></a>
<br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:'governance@lists.cpsr.org'">"'governance@lists.cpsr.org'"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org"><governance@lists.cpsr.org></a>
<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Vote on proposed amendment to IGC charter:
<br>
requirement
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
Hello Charity and all. I am replying to the list, because several
people
<br>
</blockquote>
have had this same question.
<br>
<br>
The requirement for voting for a proposed amendment to the charter is
<br>
different from an election, for instance, of a co-coordinator. The
<br>
Charter states that **“The membership requirements for amending the
<br>
charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In
<br>
amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will
be
<br>
deemed a member for amending the charter."** That list is at
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E">http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E</a>.
<br>
<br>
A "normal" election requires, as you note, that one be a member for at
<br>
least two months. As I understand it, in order to take part in a vote
on
<br>
a charter amendment, you must have voted in the previous election, in
<br>
this case, the last co-coordinator election in December, 2008.
<br>
<br>
Please correct me if I am wrong.
<br>
<br>
If anyone has other questions, or would like any clarification, please
<br>
post them.
<br>
<br>
Thanks! Best, Ginger
<br>
<br>
<br>
Charity Gamboa wrote:
<br>
<br>
Hi Ginger,
<br>
<br>
I joined IGC January 2009. Please correct me if I am wrong if I
<br>
assumed that when you are a member for at least 2 months with the IGC
<br>
you can vote. It says in the Charter that "Each person who is
<br>
subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election
<br>
will be given a voter account." The list of IGC members was last
<br>
updated January 29 but I do not see my name as member of that list.
<br>
Does this mean then that I cannot vote? Or basically I am not a
<br>
member of IGC because I am not on the list? Will definitely
<br>
appreciate any clarifications.
<br>
<br>
Thanks! :)
<br>
<br>
Regards,
<br>
Charity
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Ginger Paque <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com"><gpaque@gmail.com></a>
<br>
wrote:
<br>
<br>
Dear IGC members,
<br>
<br>
A proposal has been made for amendment to the IGC charter (please
<br>
see full details below and attached).
<br>
<br>
IGC members should currently be discussing the proposed amendment
<br>
on the list in case there are any doubts or opinions they would
<br>
like to express.
<br>
<br>
The Charter states that “The membership requirements for
<br>
amending the charter are based on the most currently available
<br>
voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the
<br>
previous election will be deemed a member for amending the
<br>
charter." That list is at
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E">http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E</a>.
<br>
<br>
Since approval of any amendment requires a two-thirds approval,
<br>
please be sure to vote, whatever your decision may be. This is a
<br>
good way to keep the IGC on track by exercising your right and
<br>
obligation to vote.
<br>
<br>
Each person sent a ballot paper will be asked first to affirm
<br>
whether they are a member of civil society. Only civil society
<br>
members are entitled to vote. You will be given a choice of
<br>
"yes", "no" or "abstain" to show your agreement or non-agreement
<br>
with the proposed amendment. If you prefer not to vote, please
<br>
use the "abstain" option – that allows us to keep you on the
<br>
updated membership list as a current member.
<br>
<br>
The ballot will be a secret ballot. The ballot will be open for
<br>
two weeks (until September 15th). An announcement of the results
<br>
will be made as soon as possible thereafter. You should expect to
<br>
receive a ballot paper before Wednesday next week (September
<br>
2nd), possibly earlier. If you believe you are entitled to vote
<br>
and have not received a ballot paper by then please contact me
<br>
directly.
<br>
<br>
Many thanks to Dr. Derrick Cogburn for once again accepting the
<br>
task of running this electronic ballot procedure for the IGC.
<br>
<br>
Regards,
<br>
<br>
Ginger Paque
<br>
for
<br>
Ginger Paque and Ian Peter
<br>
IGC Co-coordinators
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
To the IGC Caucus and IGC Caucus Coordinators:
<br>
<br>
According to the IGC Charter, Amendments to the Charter are made
<br>
according to the following process:
<br>
<br>
This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer
<br>
than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds
(2/3)
<br>
of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending
<br>
the charter are based on the most currently available voters list.
<br>
In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election
<br>
will be
<br>
deemed a member for amending the charter.
<br>
<br>
Because of the events on the list over the last month or longer, the
<br>
undersigned have decided to propose Posting Rule amendments to the
<br>
charter (attached to this email) that will make it less problematic
to
<br>
deal with disruptive behavior on the IG Caucus list in the future.
Part
<br>
of the problem we are trying to remedy is the fact that the sole
<br>
responsibility rests with the coordinators without them having any
clear
<br>
guidelines or
<br>
assistance.
<br>
<br>
In proposing these amendments we looked at RFC 3683 "A Practice for
<br>
Revoking Posting Rights to IETF Mailing Lists "
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3683.txt">http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3683.txt</a>
<br>
RFC 3934 and " Updates to RFC 2418 Regarding the Management of
IETF
<br>
Mailing Lists" <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3934.txt">http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3934.txt</a> , as well
as the
<br>
rules currently in effect for ICANN's GA List for guidance.
<br>
<br>
The proposed amendment contains the following elements:
<br>
<br>
- statement of the purpose of the IGC list
<br>
- set of guidelines for decorum on the IGC list and any other IGC
<br>
lists that may be created
<br>
- description of inappropriate postings for IGC list(s)
<br>
<br>
We are also proposing that the coordinators can create, if they
desire
<br>
to do so, an advisory body to help them in determining when the
<br>
posting rules have been infringed. The decision and responsibility
of
<br>
when to take action is, however, still left with the coordinators.
<br>
<br>
If this charter amendment is accepted by a 2/3 vote of the current
<br>
members, action for suspension of removal can be initiated in the
<br>
following manner:
<br>
<br>
a. the coordinators decide on their own that action needs to be
taken
<br>
b. the advisory group recommends it to coordinators and they agree
<br>
that action needs to be taken
<br>
c. a group of 20 IGC members publicly petitions the coordinators to
<br>
consider action and the coordinators agree actions should be taken
<br>
<br>
The appeals mechanism remains the same as it is in the current
charter:
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">? Any decision for suspension can be
appealed.
<br>
Any decision to remove someone from the list will
<br>
call for an automatic appeal by the appeals team.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Signed by the following members of the IGC as listed on
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a>
<br>
<br>
Carlos A.Afonso
<br>
Vittorio Bertola
<br>
Wilie Curie
<br>
Avri Doria (co-author)
<br>
Wiliam Drake
<br>
Bret Fausett
<br>
Robin Gross
<br>
Michael Gurstein
<br>
Jeanette Hofmann (co-author)
<br>
Wolfgang Kleinwächter
<br>
Jeremy Malcolm
<br>
Lee W. McKnight
<br>
Jacqueline A. Morris
<br>
Adam Peake
<br>
Parminder Singh
<br>
David Souter
<br>
Christopher Wilkinson
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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