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Hi David and all,<br>
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I am going to have to ask that Avri, Parminder, Jeannette, Ian, or
someone else with a better knowledge of these details answer this
question. Thanks for bringing it up now.<br>
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Best,<br>
Ginger<br>
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David Souter wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Dear Ginger:
Your answer raises a separate question.
Do you mean here that only people who actually voted in the last coordinator election will be entitled to vote on this amendment, or that those who were entitled to vote at that time will be entitled now?
There could be quite a substantial difference.
David Souter
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Sent: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:56:00 -0430
From: Ginger Paque <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com"><gpaque@gmail.com></a>
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Subject: Re: [governance] Vote on proposed amendment to IGC charter:
requirement
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<pre wrap="">Hello Charity and all. I am replying to the list, because several people
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<pre wrap=""><!---->have had this same question.
The requirement for voting for a proposed amendment to the charter is
different from an election, for instance, of a co-coordinator. The
Charter states that **“The membership requirements for amending the
charter are based on the most currently available voters list. In
amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election will be
deemed a member for amending the charter."** That list is at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E">http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E</a>.
A "normal" election requires, as you note, that one be a member for at
least two months. As I understand it, in order to take part in a vote on
a charter amendment, you must have voted in the previous election, in
this case, the last co-coordinator election in December, 2008.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
If anyone has other questions, or would like any clarification, please
post them.
Thanks! Best, Ginger
Charity Gamboa wrote:
Hi Ginger,
I joined IGC January 2009. Please correct me if I am wrong if I
assumed that when you are a member for at least 2 months with the IGC
you can vote. It says in the Charter that "Each person who is
subscribed to the list at least two (2) months before the election
will be given a voter account." The list of IGC members was last
updated January 29 but I do not see my name as member of that list.
Does this mean then that I cannot vote? Or basically I am not a
member of IGC because I am not on the list? Will definitely
appreciate any clarifications.
Thanks! :)
Regards,
Charity
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Ginger Paque <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com"><gpaque@gmail.com></a>
wrote:
Dear IGC members,
A proposal has been made for amendment to the IGC charter (please
see full details below and attached).
IGC members should currently be discussing the proposed amendment
on the list in case there are any doubts or opinions they would
like to express.
The Charter states that “The membership requirements for
amending the charter are based on the most currently available
voters list. In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the
previous election will be deemed a member for amending the
charter." That list is at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E">http://www.igcaucus.org/node/12/%253Cbr%2520/%253E</a>.
Since approval of any amendment requires a two-thirds approval,
please be sure to vote, whatever your decision may be. This is a
good way to keep the IGC on track by exercising your right and
obligation to vote.
Each person sent a ballot paper will be asked first to affirm
whether they are a member of civil society. Only civil society
members are entitled to vote. You will be given a choice of
"yes", "no" or "abstain" to show your agreement or non-agreement
with the proposed amendment. If you prefer not to vote, please
use the "abstain" option – that allows us to keep you on the
updated membership list as a current member.
The ballot will be a secret ballot. The ballot will be open for
two weeks (until September 15th). An announcement of the results
will be made as soon as possible thereafter. You should expect to
receive a ballot paper before Wednesday next week (September
2nd), possibly earlier. If you believe you are entitled to vote
and have not received a ballot paper by then please contact me
directly.
Many thanks to Dr. Derrick Cogburn for once again accepting the
task of running this electronic ballot procedure for the IGC.
Regards,
Ginger Paque
for
Ginger Paque and Ian Peter
IGC Co-coordinators
To the IGC Caucus and IGC Caucus Coordinators:
According to the IGC Charter, Amendments to the Charter are made
according to the following process:
This charter can be amended at any time as proposed by no fewer
than ten (10) members and as approved by no less than two-thirds (2/3)
of the members of the IGC. The membership requirements for amending
the charter are based on the most currently available voters list.
In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous election
will be
deemed a member for amending the charter.
Because of the events on the list over the last month or longer, the
undersigned have decided to propose Posting Rule amendments to the
charter (attached to this email) that will make it less problematic to
deal with disruptive behavior on the IG Caucus list in the future. Part
of the problem we are trying to remedy is the fact that the sole
responsibility rests with the coordinators without them having any clear
guidelines or
assistance.
In proposing these amendments we looked at RFC 3683 "A Practice for
Revoking Posting Rights to IETF Mailing Lists <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3683.txtRFC3934and">"
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3683.txt
RFC 3934 and "</a> Updates to RFC 2418 Regarding the Management of IETF
Mailing Lists" <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3934.txt">http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3934.txt</a> , as well as the
rules currently in effect for ICANN's GA List for guidance.
The proposed amendment contains the following elements:
- statement of the purpose of the IGC list
- set of guidelines for decorum on the IGC list and any other IGC
lists that may be created
- description of inappropriate postings for IGC list(s)
We are also proposing that the coordinators can create, if they desire
to do so, an advisory body to help them in determining when the
posting rules have been infringed. The decision and responsibility of
when to take action is, however, still left with the coordinators.
If this charter amendment is accepted by a 2/3 vote of the current
members, action for suspension of removal can be initiated in the
following manner:
a. the coordinators decide on their own that action needs to be taken
b. the advisory group recommends it to coordinators and they agree
that action needs to be taken
c. a group of 20 IGC members publicly petitions the coordinators to
consider action and the coordinators agree actions should be taken
The appeals mechanism remains the same as it is in the current charter:
> ? Any decision for suspension can be appealed.
> Any decision to remove someone from the list will
> call for an automatic appeal by the appeals team.
Signed by the following members of the IGC as listed on <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a>
Carlos A.Afonso
Vittorio Bertola
Wilie Curie
Avri Doria (co-author)
Wiliam Drake
Bret Fausett
Robin Gross
Michael Gurstein
Jeanette Hofmann (co-author)
Wolfgang Kleinwächter
Jeremy Malcolm
Lee W. McKnight
Jacqueline A. Morris
Adam Peake
Parminder Singh
David Souter
Christopher Wilkinson
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