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<DIV>I like to combine all three of the below.</DIV>
<DIV>(please see Paul's thread on rights -- similar just from a different tac accross the same bay)</DIV>
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<DIV>Governance -- cannot be imposed. Our mere use of the word, excludes top down decrees.</DIV>
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<DIV>Politics -- What we refer to most generally as political is either Marx's pablum for the masses, or a power grab due to <A href="http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A00EEDC1739E233A25756C2A9629C946496D6CF">http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A00EEDC1739E233A25756C2A9629C946496D6CF</A> Ladd's Nuetrality. From Plato to today little changes.</DIV>
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<DIV>Religion -- is like governance and politics. If we allow it from the top - down. (no not that top- that is spiritualism<IMG src="http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif">) and we do not participate and remain silent or indifferent or Nuetral it turns into a big ball of ----. If we allow for exclusion, elitism and "show me the money" rules then we are back to shirking our duties in governance. </DIV>
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<DIV>Therefor I say that if we must have rules, then we must have them to protect the individual and not some holier than thou professors grand scheme for the betterment of society. Let courtesy and netiquette protect the group and goals --- But only let individuals be protected by rules.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 8/22/09, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron <I><nyangkweagien@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV id=yiv764106067>Eric wrote "Good governance does not require decrees but rather examples".<BR><BR>I agree and add that 'examples that work'.<BR>Decrees are bedfellows to dictatorship as their imposing phrases show.<BR><BR>"politics and religion at the dinner table?" Well I do not see any difference as the two have as objective: acquiring some power. When politicians lie to get power and earn our monies, religious people cajole us to "give a stipend to God" thus taking away our money that is later on invested in business ventures. Politics and religion are all business entities anyway.<BR><BR>Cheers <BR><BR>Aaron<BR><BR>
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<DIV>I suspect you are not alone Sylvia. I think we are due for an upgrade in Netiquette. Somethings like bandwidth useage and mobile units and brand new filters and netservices are changing the landscape. Times have changed since 2000 and our first busy lists. Before silverware and glass -- they must have had totally different eating etiquette. Before additives and refrigerators they must have had extremely strict cooking rules. Major differences between Kosher and Chopsticks and Curing and canning .... Elbows on or off, burping and when not to, politics and religion at the dinner table?</DIV>
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<DIV>This educational and explanable thread is most helpful in governance. No not someone getting a nose out of joint over a cc or 3 or 6 posts or cross whatever, but talking about it so we can better understand and act better ourselves. Good governance does not require decrees but rather examples.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 8/21/09, Sylvia Caras <I><<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sylvia.caras@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:sylvia.caras@gmail.com">sylvia.caras@gmail.com</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Sylvia Caras <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sylvia.caras@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:sylvia.caras@gmail.com">sylvia.caras@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] CORRECTION: List Posting Rules: Unsolicited CCing is<BR>To: <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 6:08 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV>On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Roland<BR>Perry<<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=roland@internetpolicyagency.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>roland@internetpolicyagency.com</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> There's clearly an interaction between the way a list is configured, and the<BR>> way people's email clients are designed.<BR>><BR><BR>I didn't realize that, and wonder if there is/was a standard. I've<BR>used Eudora and Thunderbird off-line and now am reading and usually<BR>replying online. Gmail is my first use of sending from a web-based<BR>service. Most of what I know about list management is as a LISTSERV<BR>administrator. This is very interesting.<BR><BR>Sylvia<BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR> <A
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