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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am embarrassed. In my multicultural training and learning it is my bad to have you apologize. We must always take responsibility for our own role in any confusion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But I am very pleased that at my expense more open and transparent common courtesy can have a platform for reminding us. Ours is not perfection to obtain but to strive for.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I met this AM with some very wilderness adventurer types at UC Santa Barbara. As the space program has helped us to understand so much in common useage of technologies these men and women, especially my colleagues involved in Wilderness EMT are teaching me a great deal about remote emergency comms. Here we rage against the machine and its intrusion into declared wilderness areas -- but we must govern our own actions to provide the most optimum Internet Access when required to save lives. Perhaps with discovering the work these fine people are doing we can better provide for remote access of information in developing areas. Theirs is not a money issue but an environmental one.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now I am up the Coast at Berkeley and pleased to be finding radical young lawyers in training all fired up about IP trying to move in on common Internet useage in the college arena. Were are breaking -- going for a sunset hike and then Hunan's infamous Chinese and arguments regarding accepting money and from who to escalate the fight. Standard faire for the forming of Governmental controls over out of control multinational megacorps.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This stuff makes who is ccing who look like dancing in a geriatric nursing home!</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is good to note that common courtesy is becoming a necessary code in transmissions critical to lifesaving. And that young professionals are donating time and energy and really caring about Internet Governance.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 8/20/09, Rui Correia <I><correia.rui@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Rui Correia <correia.rui@gmail.com><BR>Subject: [governance] CORRECTION: List Posting Rules: Unsolicited CCing is SPAM [was Stop CCing me]<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR>Cc: "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net>, "Joe Baptista" <baptista@publicroot.org>, "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com><BR>Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 8:05 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv1662848697>Dear All<BR><BR>My earlier email refers (CCd only to involved parties).<BR><BR>I apologise for wrongly attributing to Eric emails CCd to me, whereas I was referring to Joe Baptista. In the email I did in fact email the list AND (and only) Joe, BUT in the body of the email errouneously referred to Eric and thereafter the name stuck in my mind and I repeated the error. I do apologise to Eric for any inconvenience caused.<BR><BR>I am conveyed that to Eric in a reply to an email from him on that subject. <BR><BR>I would however like to refer to my earlier email below and include a point 5 that reads as follows:<BR><BR>5. Using the "Reply to All" function, therefore emailing a former poster's personally CC'd recipients shall equally contitute an act of unsilicited emailing, i.e., spam. Put differently, if a member of the list decides to CC any of his acquaintances, that does not entitle another member to include those members in his/ her
reply/ comment/ reaction.<BR><BR>Please read points 1 to 4 below (taking into account that the name Eric in fact refers to Joe: <BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR>From: <B class=gmail_sendername>Rui Correia</B> <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=correia.rui@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:correia.rui@gmail.com">correia.rui@gmail.com</A>></SPAN><BR>Date: 2009/8/20<BR>Subject: List Posting Rules: Unsolicited CCing is SPAM [was Stop CCing me]<BR>To: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com">jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com</A>>, <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR><BR><BR>Jeffrey and Eric<BR><BR>Apologies to others, but this is pertinent as we are now engaged in the exercise of redefining list participation rules. <BR><BR>1. I
am a subscriber to the list, therefore there is no need to CC me or any other subscriber.<BR>2. Email that is sent unsolicited is the primary criterion of what constitutes spam. Sending spam is against the current rules (and the proposed new rules). You are therefore in breach of the rules. The recipient informing the sender that the mail is unwelcome merely constitutes an aggraving factor.<BR>3. Any one is free to further disseminate list debates/ discussions to external interested parties by means of CC/ BCC/ FWD whenever one has reason to believe that the recipient(s) will welcome receiving such posting(s). <BR>4. Depending on applicability, anyone resorting to CCing when that person's posting rights have been suspended is guilty of contravening the suspension. <BR><BR>In view of the above, I am asking you one last time - STOP CCing me.<BR><BR>I trust that the above is in order.<BR><BR>Rui<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2009/8/20 Jeffrey A. Williams <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com">jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Rui Correia <BR>Sent: Aug 19, 2009 8:22 AM <BR>To: Joe Baptista , <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> <BR>Subject: Re: STOP CCing me: [was Child Porn in Internet governance Re: [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?] <BR><BR>Dear Joe<BR><BR>I know how the list works. However, you will see that whenever Eric posts, he adds a whole range of people to the CC field - whether you have been part of a discussion or not.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Rui <BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Hi Rui:<BR><BR>I don't think Eric cced you. In any case - that is the nature of this list. The problem is in the reply-to headers. When one replies to the list the cc is automatic - as in this case when I reply to all. If you just reply - the response goes directly to the poster and not the list.<BR><BR>Hope that clarifies the issue for you. The best way to fix this is to ensure the reply-to governance bit is set and that control is with the list admins - not with me.<BR><BR>regards<BR>joe baptista
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<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/19/09, <B class=gmail_sendername>Rui Correia</B> <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=correia.rui@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:correia.rui@gmail.com">correia.rui@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Dear Eric<BR><BR>I've been on the governance list since its inception - there really is no need for you to cc me - and possibly others - when you post to the list. Your gesture is duly acknowledged, but really not necessary.<BR><BR>Yours<BR><BR>Rui <BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/18/09, <B class=gmail_sendername>Jeffrey A. Williams</B> <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com">jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>No - I would not say child. More like a prepubescent teenager. The education process is at best very slow. I think I have returned to this reasoning on a numerous occasions. Many people involved in internet governance have no idea what the Internet is. They know the buzz - believe the fiction and completely miss the point and are amazed to find out the Internet is very dangerous. I was the first to point that out in 1995 - <A href="http://bit.ly/Rp0fB" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://bit.ly/Rp0fB</A> - and time has proved me correct on this.<BR><BR>If Internet governance people had any idea just how dangerous the Internet always was - is and will be more so as time passes and protocol evolves - then they would be seeking less government reliance on the internet and they would be warning people on the dangers awaiting them. Most of the infrastructure is completely insecure. DNS over UDP is a mess - DNSSEC a public relations
disaster. And thats just two little protocols.<BR><BR>This is an example of a child porn issue. If people here are serious about protecting children from predators and porn on the Internet then ask legislative assmblies to legislate children off the Internet. The only way to protect them is by cutting the source of the danger.<BR><BR>Unfortunately - as I said what I see of Internet governance here is more wide eyed teenagers. All full of hope but completely unaware of the dangers. It takes time to grow up - or else become irrelevant - tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur en illis.<BR><BR>regards<BR><FONT color=#888888>joe baptista<BR>Personal: <A href="http://www.joebaptista.wordpress.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>www.joebaptista.wordpress.com</A> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>-- <BR>________________________________________________<BR><BR><BR>Rui Correia<BR>Advocacy, Human Rights, Media and Language Consultant<BR>2 Cutten St<BR>Horison
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<DIV>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 294k members/stakeholders strong!)<BR>"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -<BR> Abraham Lincoln<BR><BR>"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very<BR>often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt<BR><BR>"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability<BR>depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by<BR>P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."<BR>United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]<BR>===============================================================<BR>Updated 1/26/04<BR>CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of<BR>Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.<BR>ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow
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