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<font face="Arial">Hi everyone,<br>
First an explanation and apology. My last email post was meant for Ian
Peter (offlist) as a discussion between co-coordinators, not for the
list. Unfortunately, I am multi-tasking from an excellent IGF
preparatory meeting in Rio, and this error was a result.<br>
<br>
>From a viewpoint of transparency, it is not terrible--I would not
however, treat this subject in this manner on the list, as I did permit
myself more latitude in a private email. I have already apologized to
Alejandro Pisanty for making public a private conversation.<br>
<br>
I am glad to see nonetheless that responses have been productive and
coherent. Perhaps we can make positive use of this error to find
alternatives to improve the efficiency of the list. I do emphasize that
the objective is not censorship, but working together to make the list
work better, and in particular, to stop people from unsubscribing due
to distracting posts.<br>
<br>
My personal opinion is still that the most obvious solution is the use
of filters and message rules in our email applications to control
unwanted emails. However, the number of sign-offs, and the distraction
from substantial discussion concerns me. Let us please discuss Avri's
suggestion and any others that come up. Please opine.<br>
<br>
Thanks. Best,<br>
Ginger<br>
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Jacqueline A. Morris wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I agree with Avri's suggestion - working group lists can take a lot of the
back and forth traffic off the main list and allow for more focused
discussion on getting something done. But that won't do anything about
troll activity, though... and I'd be against giving up the list's openness
and transparency and democracy just to get rid of some people that others
find annoying - our main principles need to be upheld, despite any troll
issues.
Jacqueline A. Morris
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-----Original Message-----
From: Avri Doria [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:avri@psg.com">mailto:avri@psg.com</a>]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2009 11:17 AM
To: Governance/IGC List
Subject: Re: [governance] Trying to "fix" the list
Hi,
It would be a fundamental change to the openness of the list.
Especially given the number of well respected people who are
participants on the list and not 'members'.
I would not be in favor because it is a movement away from
transparency (not matter what i feel about being personally baited
from time to time) and because it would end a very important kind of
outreach this list has - one can sign up, be here, participate and
then decide to join when it came time to vote on something (or sooner
if wished).
If anything i would recommend, and support, the creation of smaller
side lists that were topical and project oriented (i.e. to write a
statement on x), closed for posting to IGC members and invited others,
but with open archives.
a.
On 12 Aug 2009, at 10:07, Ginger Paque wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Is it possible for us to propose and implement a trial procedure to
later be voted upon and approved by the list?
Can we ask cpsr to open another list for the IGC, called "related
topics". This would be an open list. We would change the governance
list from an open list to a moderated membership, where new members
would have to be approved by the coordinators upon signing up.
Coordinators could transfer any thread to the related topic list if
it is not directly related to IG process substance. This would be
one of the duties of the coordinators, and would not require
approval, vote or consensus.
After 60 days or so, we could vote on the procedure and add it to
the charter.
Is this practical, appropriate, legal?
Any thoughts?
I ran into Alejandro Pissanty (sp?) yesterday and he thinks we
should take pre-emptive action and remove three people. I do not
think that is a proper procedure, although I have to admit, I would
be willing to do it, and then resign for improper conduct, if I
thought the ICG would be able to make it stick :o)
gp
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