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<DIV>This mail has been getting me to wonder; "what does Jeanette Hofmann do regarding IG that is more relevant than a General Assembly attached to Generic Names as part of the closest thing we have to IG??" </DIV>
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<DIV>I suppose her objection to discussing GA here has something more deep, closer to a prohibition on cross posting. Something about dividing and conquering. Something about not letting the unruly masses know what is going on across the board. But perhaps there is something that most of us are not aware of that Ms. Hoffmann and Lucy Lynch are involved in. If that is the case I would sure appreciate being updated.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 7/30/09, Jeanette Hofmann <I><jeanette@wzb.eu></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette@wzb.eu><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "Eric Dierker" <cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net><BR>Cc: "Lucy Lynch" <llynch@civil-tongue.net><BR>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 5:48 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Hi, can you please take discussions about the GA list elsewhere and also stop attacking members of the IG caucus?<BR>Thank you. Jeanette<BR><BR>Eric Dierker wrote:<BR>> Sorry, Not the first time I did not check. Mia Culpa, my bad.<BR>> Our cool netiquette rules have been developed over a good period of time. They are not nonsense. In a very real respect/aspect they are as important as our Net Gov. of Protocals and Addressing. While sometimes passion and conviction seem to require a breach of common courtesy it should never be the rule. We should all endeavor to share a mutual respect by abiding by civil society decency in communication.<BR>> A very poor and not so bright man once spoke; "if only my neighbor could to me, and I could to her, be fair, honest and courteous, I scarcely say there would be little need for government or laws" (ed - to a Jury, in a murder trial 1986)<BR>>
A big thank you to all those who monitor and domo, the world is a better place for your efforts.<BR>> Eric<BR>> <BR>> --- On *Wed, 7/29/09, Lucy Lynch /<<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=llynch@civil-tongue.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>llynch@civil-tongue.net</A>>/* wrote:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From: Lucy Lynch <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=llynch@civil-tongue.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>llynch@civil-tongue.net</A>><BR>> Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?<BR>> To: <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>governance@lists.cpsr.org</A>, "Eric Dierker"<BR>> <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>> Cc: "Avri Doria" <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@acm.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>avri@acm.org</A>><BR>> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 3:44 PM<BR>> <BR>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Eric Dierker wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > Well that is very nice Avri. And I agree with much of what you<BR>> say. However their are two people who were regular contributors<BR>> suspended/censored from the list. There are no recognized monitors<BR>> and the majordomo is hidden. That is all on you. YOU censored them.<BR>> but with nothing open and transparent. So your talk is not<BR>> consistent with your actions as is the case
generally with the GNSO.<BR>> Your governmental process is backroom and by fiat. So you really<BR>> do epitomize ICANNs lack of accountability and ability to do and say<BR>> opposite things.<BR>> <BR>> Using full headers reveals:<BR>> <BR>> List-Id: <governance.lists.cpsr.org><BR>> List-Archive: <<A href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/arc/governance" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/arc/governance</A>><BR>> List-Help: <mailto:<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sympa@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>sympa@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>> <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sympa@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank
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rel=nofollow>http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sympa@lists.cpsr.org</A>>?subject=unsubscribe%20governance><BR>> <BR>> so, not a majordomo list - different commands will be needed<BR>> <BR>> sorry for interrupting with technical info...<BR>> <BR>> > --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Avri Doria <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@acm.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>avri@acm.org</A><BR>> <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@acm.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@acm.org</A>>> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > From: Avri Doria <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@acm.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>avri@acm.org</A><BR>>
<<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@acm.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=avri@acm.org</A>>><BR>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?<BR>> > To: "Governance List" <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>> <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org</A>>><BR>> > Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > On 29 Jul 2009, at 03:35, <A
href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</A><BR>> <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it<BR>> is up to you.<BR>> ><BR>> > I take that as the responsibility to make sure the list stays up<BR>> and remains orderly, for some definition of orderly.<BR>> > Additionally I take it as my responsibility to read that list on<BR>> a regular basis.<BR>>
><BR>> > The list is up, it functions, it is moderately orderly and I read<BR>> it regularly.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I do not think that responsibility extends to trying to make that<BR>> list anything more then a list where people who subscribe and wish<BR>> to comment on ICANN related issues can do so in peace. In fact,<BR>> without a decision of the GNSO Council approved by the ICANN Board,<BR>> I would see trying to change the list as out of scope for me. That<BR>> is, I do not see my responsibility as being one of trying to make<BR>> the GA list re-evolve into anything resembling what the GA was meant<BR>> to be
before it was decimated in the transition from DNSO to GNSO<BR>> without a proper policy process - too many people in ICANN already<BR>> usurp the right to make policy without proper process, and I am not<BR>> about to become one of them If the list wants to be more then a<BR>> list or wants to spin off real organizations then it is the<BR>> responsibility of those on that list to do so, and I would not<BR>> hinder that effort.<BR>> ><BR>> > In a few months I will no longer be a member of the GNSO Council<BR>> (I can hear some people already rejoicing in the background!). At<BR>> that point I will remain a member of the GA list, and at that point,<BR>>
if I want that list to be something more then a basket for<BR>> complaints then it will be become my responsibility as a member of<BR>> the list to try and do something. Until then, I am just one of the<BR>> caretakers of the GA list who keep it running and nothing more.<BR>> ><BR>> > a.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > ____________________________________________________________<BR>> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR>> > <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>> <<A
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