Hello Ginger<br><br>You would like this submitted as my own comment, rather than as an IGC statement? Is this only on Q6 or does it also apply to Q3?<br><br>There were further exchanges between Gurstein and me, and the misunderstanding are being clarified. Would you really feel that the entire statement has to be dropped as comment from IGC?<br>
<br>Thanks.<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Ginger Paque <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com">gpaque@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Shiva, As there seems to be quite a bit of controversy about this concept and wording, and we are very short on time, I wonder if we could continue this discussion after the questionnaire is submitted, perhaps for comments to be submitted by the August deadline?<br>
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In the meantime, you could submit your own comment, which would give you more freedom to make your point. Is that acceptable to you?<br>
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Regards,<br>
Ginger<br>
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Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:<br>
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Hello Michael Gurstein<br>
<br>
A quick reply and a little more later.<br>
<br>
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Michael Gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>>; Michael Gurstein<br>
*Subject:* Re: [governance] Question 6: Comments on Siva's<br>
proposed paras<br>
<br>
Hello Michael Gurstein,<br>
<br>
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Michael Gurstein<br>
<<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
"The Internet Governance Caucus calls upon the IGF<br>
Secretariat to fund the IGF programs and participation<br>
substantially and significantly to further enhance the<br>
quality of programs with greater diversity of<br>
participation" sounds better? <br>
YES... <br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
There are two aspects to be considered in this regard: a)<br>
The absence or<br>
non-participation of some of the world's most renowned<br>
Civil Society opinion<br>
leaders is noticeable; Business Leaders who are otherwise<br>
committed to<br>
social and other governance issues off IGF are not seen at<br>
the IGF;<br>
Governments are not represented on a level high enough<br>
<br>
HMMM. WHO/WHAT EXACTLY IS MEANT BY "RENOWNED CIVIL SOCIETY<br>
OPINION LEADERS"<br>
(IN SOME CIRCLES THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO AND PROBABLY MORE<br>
INTERNAL<br>
CONTRADITIONS IN THAT SIMPLE STATEMENT AND CERTAINLY<br>
NEITHER WE NOR THE<br>
SECRETARIAT SHOULD BE EXPECTED TO IDENTIFY WHO THESE<br>
"RENOWNED" FOLKS MIGHT<br>
BE.<br>
<br>
AS WELL, ARE WE LOOKING FOR CIVIL SOCIETY "LEADERS" OR<br>
FOLKS FROM CIVIL<br>
SOCIETY ORGANIZATIONS IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS, OR ARE WE<br>
LOOKING FOR CIVIL<br>
SOCIETY SPOKESPEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND IG ISSUES, OR ARE WE<br>
LOOKING FOR LEADERS<br>
OF RESPONSIBLE REPRESENTATIVE CS ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE A<br>
POSITION//OPINION/KNOWLEDGE ON IG ISSUES (EACH OF THESE<br>
CATEGORIES IS<br>
PROBABLY DISCREET AND COULD BE INCLUDED AMBIGUOUSLY UNDER<br>
YOUR STATEMENT.<br>
<br>
IF BIZ LEADERS THINK IT IS OF SUFFICIENT IMPORTANCE<br>
THEY'LL LIKELY COME, IF<br>
NOT, NOT AND NOT MUCH WE OR THE SECRETARIAT CAN DO ABOUT<br>
THAT AND SIMILARLY<br>
WITH GOVERNMENTS.<br>
<br>
I THINK THIS PARA SHOULD BE DROPPED...<br>
<br>
<br>
I am sorry, I don't agree with your negative interpretation of<br>
such a positive suggestion. Are we to assert that the present<br>
participants constitute a complete, representative, and<br>
ultimate group ? NO, BUT I'M HAVING TROUBLE SEEING WHAT NAOMI KLEIN OR VENDANA<br>
SHIVA WOULD HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE EITHER...<br>
<br>
I will have to browse a little to learn about Naomi Klein; Vendana Shiva is an Indian name that sounds familiar, but I wasn't thinking of these names, nor was my point intended to bring in anyone whom I know or associated with. Looks like you are reading between the lines of what I write.<br>
<br>
HAVING THE HEAD OF SEWA OR K-NET WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE RATHER<br>
MORE USEFUL, "RENOWNED" OR NOT, AS THEY AT LEAST COULD TALK<br>
WITH SOME DIRECT KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW IG ISSUES IMPACT THEM AND<br>
THE KINDS OF THINGS THEY ARE TRYING TO DO ON THE GROUND.<br>
<br>
Again an Indian reference - you have used the word "Sewa" in your comment. Perhaps you are reading me as someone pushing the Indian point of view? I am not. I am born in India, a participant from India, I have faith in and respect for my country but I believe that in an International context I am at least a little wider than a national. I have been inspired by teachers who taught me in my school days that "patriotism is a prejudice" which is profound thinking which in depths implies that one must be beyond being patriotic and be rather global.<br>
<br>
(Will come back this point and write more in response to what you have written a little later)<br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy.<br>
<br>
<br>
MBG<br>
<br>
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br>
<br>
<br>
M<br>
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