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<DIV>Me, Myself.& I. A couple of dogs, about 9* fish and my 7 children whether they like it or not.</DIV>
<DIV>And we still can't reach a consensus :-}</DIV>
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<DIV>*pesky cranes and my 80lb wife like to catch and not release.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 7/10/09, Michael Gurstein <I><gurstein@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Michael Gurstein <gurstein@gmail.com><BR>Subject: RE: [governance] IGF Review Question 6 start<BR>To: "'Eric Dierker'" <cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net>, governance@lists.cpsr.org, "'Sylvia Caras'" <sylvia.caras@gmail.com>, "'Ginger Paque'" <gpaque@gmail.com><BR>Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:19 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Very insghtful (incitefull) and humrous. But yes governance is only for those who are governed. I do not think we call this freedomance. We do not and should not create governing principles or principals and then go out and see who we can catch in our net.</DIV>
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<DIV>Somehow international do gooders constantly interlope into what is basically intended as a system of setting up norms and co-opt them into international aid programs in order to garner publicity and further other agendas. To be governed is to be restricted. We do not need to restrict activity of extremely poor people. We need to govern activity of those in power.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 7/10/09, Michael Gurstein <I><gurstein@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=666064611-10072009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hmmm... so governance is just for the governors... Interesting concept... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=666064611-10072009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Not sure what you do with the notions of democracy and citizenship built up over the last 1000 years or so, but maybe governance of the Internet is a special case...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Eric Dierker [mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 10, 2009 7:35 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Sylvia Caras; governance@lists.cpsr.org; Ginger Paque<BR><B>Cc:</B> governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] IGF Review Question 6 start<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Yes indeed. Leave the below out of any suggestions. Great for goals and cheerleading but very destructive to building foundations. People must get the fact that caring for the needy via the internet is not grassroots, it is empathy, not work limiting accomodation. At best teh below approach will lead us to form general policy based on isolated non-representative experience and at norm lead us moribound into more worry about an individual or inclusiveness than results. "Governance" is not the idea of developing, it is the idea of working with what we have, or what comes into it, not what will make us feel good.</DIV>
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<DIV>In short - you do not form a governance model and then say "Now let us go out and find folks to govern". Townhall meeting concepts are for pr and politics.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 7/9/09, Ginger Paque <I><gpaque@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV class=plainMail>Sylvia and Erik, thanks for your comments.<BR><BR>Erik, did you have any specific requests, or just positive feedback for Jeremy's addition? If there was a change implied, I did not get it.<BR><BR><BR>And here we include for example, Indigenous peoples worldwide, people with disabilities, rural people and particularly those who are the poorest of the poor and often landless or migrants, those concerned with promoting peer to peer and open access governance structures built on an electronic platform, those looking to alternative modes of Internet governance as ways of responding to specific localized opportunities and limitations, and those working as practitioners and activists in implementing the Internet as a primary resource in support of broad based economic and social development.<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<BR><BR>
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